rolo95
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** SOLVED *** latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
Yeah , it was a plug, pitch shifter i get from the KVR freeware page as soon as i disable it , i can record along with midi Thanks for all your help Rolo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- hey guys if i play the softsynth when sonar is not playing all is good, but if i start playing the project and try to record a part i get like 200 - 300 msec of latency.... cant play like that i use ASIO mode... i have 256 sample buffers on my ASIO panel... and i lowered to 64 samples... same thing.... any clues ? Rolo.
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/21 10:42:39
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Do you have any "look ahead" effects (perfect space, the linear phase fx or anything else like that)? Those will introduce that kind of latency.
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/21 10:56:14
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which softsynth and what FX do you have on that softsynth patch?
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/21 11:19:39
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Every once in a while I get that delay your talking about. For me I simply have to restart Sonar and it goes away. Also play with the input echo toggle. That's the little pink ))) icon on the MIDI track and in the Soft synth track.
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/21 14:57:01
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It most likely is a plugin in the signal chain causing the delay, if its happening with your ASIO buffer at 64
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rolo95
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/21 22:45:37
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Do you have any "look ahead" effects (perfect space, the linear phase fx or anything else like that)? Those will introduce that kind of latency. well, no... just stock sonar plugs... and PSP... which softsynth and what FX do you have on that softsynth patch? im using stock sonar softsynths like TTS1 , pentagon and dropzone and sfz.. but no effects on the synths... and they are not at the same time... i mean... i try with each and every one that i list above... i just need to add a bass patch to a song and the same thing with all of the synths...and i tried one by one... Every once in a while I get that delay your talking about. For me I simply have to restart Sonar and it goes away. Also play with the input echo toggle. That's the little pink ))) icon on the MIDI track and in the Soft synth track.
Haaa, will try those 2 tips It most likely is a plugin in the signal chain causing the delay, if its happening with your ASIO buffer at 64 in the signal chain of the synth ? i dont have nothing on the synth maybe the master bus ? or can be any other channel? i am running on Sonar 8.5.3 ,winxp sp3 32bit, 4gb Ram, amd athlon ii X4 2.8ghz , ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX All of Sonar works good... well, i got the dropout bug every now and then... i mean... it keeps rolling... but you hear tracks go out.. or all go out.. i just press stop and press play again and all fine... ( i remember to have that problem since sonar 3 ) that happens to me like 2 or 3 times in a 2 or 4 ho3r session anyone have xperience the mute bug ? my system is rock stable , no BSD's , no crashes , just the mute bug every now and then and this latency thing that i have never discovered because most of the time and i can say almost all of the time ,i use sonar like a tape recorder and mix desk.... no MIDI , no softsynths, no video... Many Thanks for all your suggestions and help!!! Rolo.
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/22 21:37:58
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In your list of specs you do not mention an audio interface? I gather you have one because your using ASIO mode... You realize XP 32 bit will only use a little over 3 Gigs of RAM. Have your run the DPCLAT meter to test for latency issues? it's a free download from here http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml This is another free tester that tests your round trip latency.. http://www.centrance.com/products/ltu/
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/23 07:12:36
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In your list of specs you do not mention an audio interface? I gather you have one because your using ASIO mode...
ASIO4ALL is called ASIO in the Options-dialogue, isn't it, even though it isn't ASIO??
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/23 08:41:01
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Do you have any "look ahead" effects (perfect space, the linear phase fx or anything else like that)? Those will introduce that kind of latency.
well, no... just stock sonar plugs... and PSP... It most likely is a plugin in the signal chain causing the delay, if its happening with your ASIO buffer at 64 in the signal chain of the synth ?
i dont have nothing on the synth maybe the master bus ? or can be any other channel? Perfect Space (as example) IS a stock Sonar plug. It is very CPU intensive and by default creates its own large buffer (adding latency). Compressors and limiters and other FX that need to detect transients can have a 'look ahead' setting that pre-processes the audio data ahead of the 'now time' and improves transient response. This, by definition, adds latency equal to the look ahead time setting. Sonar takes all these buffers, distributes them between available processes and calculates a total latency that allows enough time for the CPU to keep up. You may be trying to play a simple instance of TTS-1 with no added FX, going straight to the Master bus, but if a guitar track two pages down has Sonitus Compressor with a look-ahead setting of half a second then all of Sonar will have 500ms latency (+ normal processing latency) The biggest culprit for high latencies are mastering grade plugins that use high buffer counts. You need to get into the habit of seperating your tracking and mixing sessions so that you're using as few FX as possible while tracking to keep latency low and only adding the CPU intensive stuff during mixing, when latency is irrelevant.
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/23 09:06:26
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by pass one thing at a time from your project until you have no FX left. as karyn and others have said, some of the plugins are very heavy hitters on your latency. that will tell you which one it is. then you can record without that one and put it back when you're mixing. you don't need to worry about low latency during mixing, only during recording. and you don't "need" things like perfect space or most FX during recording.
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/23 11:20:02
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Kalle is on to something, this might be a simple case of on board sound card. I used ASIO4all a long time ago when I was trying to get a Sound Blaster to work, I'm pretty sure it showed my in/outs as ASIO4all. But let's wait and see if this person has a proper interface first.
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rolo95
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/23 20:25:34
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Cactus Music
In your list of specs you do not mention an audio interface? I gather you have one because your using ASIO mode...
You realize XP 32 bit will only use a little over 3 Gigs of RAM.
Have your run the DPCLAT meter to test for latency issues? it's a free download from here
http://www.thesycon.de/de...html
This is another free tester that tests your round trip latency..
http://www.centrance.com/products/ltu/
Thanks for those links man but 1st link dont work hey sorry i forgot i have dual deltas 44's ( PCI internal cards)
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rolo95
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/23 20:27:02
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Yeah , it was a plug, pitch shifter i get from the KVR freeware page
as soon as i disable it , i can record along with midi
many Thanks to all the posters here for your tips and knowledge
Rolo
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/23 21:00:32
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Re:latency when playing a project and recording a softsynth
2011/06/23 22:33:41
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Sorry about the link, The forum Software somehow eats the last part or even adds a little space sometimes, I usually check the link after posting and fix it.
Still a good Idea to run DPCLAT and the RTL test . Sonar adjusts for round trip latency but if you try and use real time effects it's good to know what your dealing with.
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