How Do YOU Use Ozone?

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2011/06/23 14:50:25 (permalink)

How Do YOU Use Ozone?

I recently purchased Ozone 4 and went diving in without reading the manual.  In my experimenting, I have been adding Ozone to FX bin of the master bus as the last item.  This would be on a project that is already mixed down.  Results have been pretty pleasing!
 
Last night, I finally sat down to start reading the manual for Ozone 4 and found that Izotope recommends applying Ozone 4 to a 2 channel stereo mix rather than a project.
 
So I am wondering how other users of Ozone work?
 
1) Apply it to the master bus of a project?
 
2) Mix down your project to a 2 channel stereo mix, and apply it to that?
 
3) Something different then the above.
 
Thanks!
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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/23 15:54:09 (permalink)
    Izotope recommends applying Ozone 4 to a 2 channel stereo mix

    That's what your master bus is

    So, yeah, option 1) is how I work with Ozone. Mainly because I need the flexibility to go back to the mix and make various adjustments/edits depending on the needs of the project. We're constantly making revisions to old stuff going back many years. If I had to bounce out a mix and re-apply mastering to it I'd never get done by the deadline.  This way the mastering is saved with the project.




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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/23 16:02:59 (permalink)
    I always have O4 in the master bus.  I have a few presets that I like, and therefore use, to keep the sound as consistent from one project to the next.


    I will NOT hesitate to use O4 (or O3 for that matter) in a track also.  I sometimes will pop O4 into a track and shut off the modules I don't want. For example I use it to sparkle the EQ on a vocal track. I make sure the verb and compression and other stuff is off. The cool thing is you can turn things on and off to see what works best, and of course, you can adjust the parameters as needed and save it as a custom preset.

    You can use it in whatever way you need it.

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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/23 17:02:26 (permalink)
    2-channel stereo mix = 2-bus = master bus

    Ozone is meant specifically for your final mix because it may be too resource-intensive to have more than one instance per project. (iZotope makes another, similar product called Alloy that is a lighter load and therefore more practical for individual tracks.)

    This does NOT mean that Ozone can't go on a track or a sub-bus. I often use it on vocal busses. The downside is that 2 or more instances of Ozone can drag a CPU to its knees, especially on top of the other heavy-duty plugins you're probably also using during the final phases of a project. Ozone also adds significant latency, so you really don't want it to be there at all during tracking.



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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/23 17:10:14 (permalink)
    BTW, +1 to Herb's suggestion for adding sparkle to a vocal track (drum overheads, too) with Ozone, although I usually bring Ozone 3 out of retirement for that specific application. They changed the exciter module in O4 to make it more "musical", but in the process also made it more subtle. O3 is great for dirtying up a vocal.


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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/23 20:10:08 (permalink)
    Hi,

    I agree - Ozone on the master. Putting it on channels or buses is quite a bit of overkill and will suck up resources (iZotope's Alloy product is a better suited for channels and buses).
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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/23 20:16:10 (permalink)
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    Izotope recommends applying Ozone 4 to a 2 channel stereo mix

    That's what your master bus is

    So, yeah, option 1) is how I work with Ozone. Mainly because I need the flexibility to go back to the mix and make various adjustments/edits depending on the needs of the project. We're constantly making revisions to old stuff going back many years. If I had to bounce out a mix and re-apply mastering to it I'd never get done by the deadline.  This way the mastering is saved with the project.

    In the beginning I loved the flexibility of being able to "master" inside the multitrack project file by slapping Ozone on the master buss. But after a while, I noticed that this strategy was giving me alot of headaches since changing something inside the "mix", like for example adjusting the volume or EQ of bass or kick, would ruin my fine-tuned Ozone setup, requiring me to make big adjustments afterwards. This is especially true when using the multiband comp (not to mention the loudness maximizer, which you absolutely must not engage until you're sure you're finished with everything else).
     
    So for the last couple of years, I've concentrated on getting the mix as perfect as I'm able inside the multitrack file, export to stereo wav and import that into a new project file for "mastering". Into the "mastering" project file, I typically also import other mastered mixes (my own and commercial) for comparison.
     
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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/23 21:42:46 (permalink)
    Very good advice from Sven: hold off on using Ozone at all until the mix is truly complete.

    However, I still like to master in place because just as changing the mix messes with Ozone, so does Ozone mess with the mix. For me it's more convenient to do the mastering in the same project in case I need to tweak the mix in response to what Ozone does to upset the balance.


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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/23 22:06:47 (permalink)
    I bounce my mix to a track in the same project and add Ozone there. I like to keep a given song together in the same project file. If I'm not happy or I need to tweak it (pretty often), I'll bounce a "mix2", "mix3" and so on until I'm satisfied.

    On a side note, I tried the EQ matching feature for the first time recently. This really cranked up the upper mids. The song I was matching with was "Goliath" by Karnivool, which is a well recorded song that I really like the sound of and was aiming for. I had to back off quite a bit to like around 20% on the slider for it not to be too harsh. I still think this is a cool feature.

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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/24 12:02:14 (permalink)
    I tried the EQ matching feature for the first time recently. This really cranked up the upper mids. The song I was matching with was "Goliath" by Karnivool, which is a well recorded song that I really like the sound of and was aiming for. I had to back off quite a bit to like around 20% on the slider for it not to be too harsh.

    You have illustrated perfectly why EQ matching never delivers on its promise to provide a shortcut to spectral nirvana. It just doesn't work - unless the two tracks have identical instrumentation and levels.

    EQ matching can be a lifesaver in specific circumstances, though. I used it when I decided to re-track a verse from a 5-year-old song. Same vocalist, but a different room and a different microphone. EQ matching (using Ozone) made the new verse fit right in with the existing clips.


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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/24 12:27:12 (permalink)
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    EQ matching can be a lifesaver in specific circumstances, though. I used it when I decided to re-track a verse from a 5-year-old song. Same vocalist, but a different room and a different microphone. EQ matching (using Ozone) made the new verse fit right in with the existing clips.
     
     
    That's excellent, Dave! Never thought of using this Ozone EQ for this. Must have it's limits though. How about matching the sound of one mic to another? Have you tried that with any success?
     
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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/24 12:58:35 (permalink)
    How about matching the sound of one mic to another? Have you tried that with any success?

    Sort of. It's really not possible because the frequency response of a microphone is so complex. No mic has just one spectral curve you can try and match to.

    Even tracking the same singer into the same microphone on different days can result in spectral differences, just because the singer wasn't standing in exactly the same spot or addressing the mic from the same angle, or the mic was tilted differently, or different things were in the room at the time. That's why mic shootouts are worthless unless the mics are used to simultaneously record the same performance.


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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/24 22:47:54 (permalink)
    Thanks for the input, guys.  Good to know I am not alone in using Ozone on the master bus!  (and yes, I wait until I have a good mix I am happy with before I add it!)

    And this discussion got even more interesting then I thought it would be, with some interesting details... thanks again!

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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/27 16:29:40 (permalink)
    I don't own Ozone at this point but a user of the program mentioned to me that it can actually analyze a tune (let's say Peg / Steely Dan) and apply the same mastering settings to your existing tune. It didn't really make sense to me because I'm thinking you'd have to have the same exact hardware that was used...any thoughts on this?

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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/27 16:40:25 (permalink)
    I was never able to get past the Matrix GUI. "Neo, I believe in you." I use TRacks3. IK have gotten pretty good at the circuit modeling thing.

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    Re:How Do YOU Use Ozone? 2011/06/27 23:09:13 (permalink)
    I don't own Ozone at this point but a user of the program mentioned to me that it can actually analyze a tune (let's say Peg / Steely Dan) and apply the same mastering settings to your existing tune. It didn't really make sense to me because I'm thinking you'd have to have the same exact hardware that was used...any thoughts on this?

    See post #10. EQ matching does not work to the extent that it will make your song sound like Steely Dan or the Beatles or Lady Gaga just by forcing a similar EQ curve. If your song has a hole at 1KHz but your target has a peak at 1KHz, it's because your instrumentation did not contribute as much at that frequency, and you can't make something out of nothing just by applying a boost at 1Khz.

    EQ matching features do have some value in addition to the specific example I gave above, and that is to use the target curve as a general guideline. Experienced recordists will not need to do this, but it's a helpful tool for beginners who might not know what the curve should look like.

    And just what should the curve look like? Start analyzing a bunch of your favorite commercial recordings and you will soon realize that while they may be broadly similar, there is no universal EQ curve. Every one will be different. The value is in learning to recognize the overall shape you'll want to emulate, based on your analysis of similar commercial recordings. Just don't try to match it exactly.


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