No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please...

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2011/06/27 10:46:47 (permalink)

No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please...

I have a midi piano performance that has no sustain pedal information. How would I go about manually inserting sustain pedal data?
 
Please dumb it down as much as possible as I've never played with this kind of thing before.
 
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    Cactus Music
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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/27 11:13:59 (permalink)
    CC 64 if you use the events list.
    There are also ways to draw it in piano view look in the help files and use the search funtion to ask the question.
    Fastest  way is record the pedal in a new track with the same channel number assigned to it.
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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/27 11:23:59 (permalink)
    I don't know what's wrong with me but I can't find it in Help.

    That's what I'd like to do... draw it in PRV. I created a CC64 parameter and drew that little flagged line up to the top (presumable 127), but there is no effect.

    I wonder if someone could give me the dumbed-down steps?

    I'm genuinely trying to find it in Help but I'm probably burned out and can't perceive what's right in front of my nose.

    Thanks for the reply! Anybody else, please jump in.
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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/27 12:02:59 (permalink)
    What is the output channel of the MIDI track you are using? What soft synth is it output to?
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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/27 12:10:25 (permalink)
    Sustain Pedal is control code 64 and there are 2 valid values: 0 = off and 127 = on. 

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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/27 12:44:24 (permalink)
    the way to use help is to use the search function - type in "editing CC events" or "Controllers"
    I usually find my answers quickly this way, scrolling through the menu takes forever.

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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/27 13:13:33 (permalink)
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    Sustain Pedal is control code 64 and there are 2 valid values: 0 = off and 127 = on. 


    I was curious about that so I tried it out with the TTS-1 soft synth. At values of 64 and higher, cc#64 worked to suppress the note off and I couldn't tell any difference between the hold at 64 or 127. At values of 63 and below the controller had no effect on the notes.
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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/27 22:01:52 (permalink)
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    Sustain Pedal is control code 64 and there are 2 valid values: 0 = off and 127 = on. 


    I was curious about that so I tried it out with the TTS-1 soft synth. At values of 64 and higher, cc#64 worked to suppress the note off and I couldn't tell any difference between the hold at 64 or 127. At values of 63 and below the controller had no effect on the notes.

    Because there are only 2 valid values, 0 and 127, everything below 64 is off and 64 and above is on. There are no sustain pedals on acoustic pianos that allow sort-of-halfway-down functions. On or off.


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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/28 23:24:28 (permalink)
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    I don't know what's wrong with me but I can't find it in Help.

    That's what I'd like to do... draw it in PRV. I created a CC64 parameter and drew that little flagged line up to the top (presumable 127), but there is no effect.

    I wonder if someone could give me the dumbed-down steps?

    I'm genuinely trying to find it in Help but I'm probably burned out and can't perceive what's right in front of my nose.

    Thanks for the reply! Anybody else, please jump in.


    You need to remember that the Piano Roll view is capable of displaying multiple channels. So, you have  choose both the correct controller ( which you have - CC64 ) AND you have choose the correct midi channel when you're inputting data in the controller pane. As was stated before, any value below 64 will give you sustain off - any value greater than 64 will give you sustain on.

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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/29 22:01:52 (permalink)
    Thanks guys. I've been sick for a few days. I'll try it out this weekend and see if I can make it work. I might not have been selecting the channel properly. I'm pretty sure I was using channel 1, with the channel driving an instance of True Pianos. I'll report back how I do. Sorry, I do know this is one of those dumb questions that I should have been able to figure out.
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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/29 22:46:13 (permalink)
    Its not a dumb question, however, it is one you have to learn how to do. The first time you do something new you are a rookie. After you've done it, you're a veteran. :)

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    Re:No idea how to manually input sustain pedal data..help, please... 2011/06/29 23:21:26 (permalink)
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    Thanks guys. I've been sick for a few days. I'll try it out this weekend and see if I can make it work. I might not have been selecting the channel properly. I'm pretty sure I was using channel 1, with the channel driving an instance of True Pianos. I'll report back how I do. Sorry, I do know this is one of those dumb questions that I should have been able to figure out.


    The reason I asked about the Midi channel of the track you are using for TruePIanos is that, as you may have noticed, you can enter a Midi channel for the controller you inserted in the PRV. If the Midi track's channel output is set to NONE, then the channel the cc was inserted as will be the channel that controller will affect. If the Midi track DOES have a Midi output channel then the controller will affect the device/soft synth on THAT channel. As long as the Midi track has an output channel you don't need to worry about the channel the cc was inserted on. It is only when the Midi track's output channel is set to NONE that you have to make sure you choose the right channel when inserting the cc.

    So, if your Midi track has an output channel then the cc midi channel is not the problem.
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