The Maillard Reaction
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biscuit joiner
re: biscuit joiner. My wife and I had our first successful biscuit joining party last night on a front face. Spacey might know what I mean.
post edited by mike_mccue - 2011/06/28 08:18:21
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 08:32:08
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Ummmmm..... sounds delicious.....
I hope you glued those biscuits completely.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 08:38:48
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Did she put the glue on the biscuit or in the slot?
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 08:41:07
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quantumeffect
Did she put the glue on the biscuit or in the slot?
hopefully both!
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 08:42:35
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It's all dry fit at the moment.
Glue party will occur after some extra sanding.
The face frame is all assembled with mortise and tenon and I have used the biscuits to help line the face frame to the cabinet shell.
I have been amazed at how well it has worked out.
best,
mike
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 08:54:53
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Now that's my kind of party Mike! It's a good thing we're not neighbors. You'd probably have a cabinet you could play an Am on.  and no kidding...I've been saving scraps to build my wife a jewelry box...ebony top with frets. It looks alright in me head.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 09:14:36
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Yeah Spacey... I'm sure we'd spend a lot of time helping on each others projects and pushing each other forward!!!
Ironically, I am working on a fancy furniture store TV commercial tomorrow... it's gonna be fun to see what pieces like I am making will cost in a retail store.
I know biscuit joining isn't fine wood work... but I haven't seen much fine wood work in a furniture store in a while. I do see great work when I stop in at actual wood worker galleries but rarely see any "no screw or nail" joinery outside of a gallery like setting.
I'm using the biscuits as a hybrid method because the traditional alternative of using a hand made floating tenon seems unnecessary for the application. The actual frame is full size mortise and tenon and that's what you'll see as the end user.
I doubt I'd think I can afford to buy what we are building. :-)
best regards,
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 09:35:57
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I've joined with a multitude of biscuits over the years.
Hence the need for diet (again).
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 09:40:58
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When I got married we bought a home. We were poor. It was a government home.
It sat on an unimproved lot.
There were boards left laying around so I gathered them up. The only tools I had
was a drill and a jig saw.
I built a coffee table and an end table. No nails. Dowel pinned. I designed
how the legs and rails joined....they are locked, will never wobble and will never
come apart without the tables being intentionally destroyed.
We still have them and use them.
I'm proud to say in all honesty, numerous times through the years we've been
offered large sums of money for them.
One may buy quality but one still doesn't get the real value.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 09:49:50
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My theory on wood working is... if it can't be joined without using sheetrock screws, it probably isn't worth joining. Just kidding..... I worked for a short time in a wood working shop where they made the cabinets and check out counters for the Lowes stores & Roses dept stores in the US. It was pretty amazing all the automated machines they had for doing the jobs. Being an electrician, I was more in the maint dept than the actual cabinet making dept..... matter of fact I never made anything while I worked there. I moved equipment, and ran the maint shop. Nothing they made was made with wood. It was all that fiber board soaked in formaldahyde.... nothing like walking into the warehouse where they stored that stuff first thing in the morning and getting a good whiff of that stuff. The characters that worked there were a trip... they made it tolerable, and at times, entertaining, but more often insufferable. Add: several of the guys that worked there did make furniture in their spare time.... The high quality stuff that took time to build. It's difficult at best to make a living doing that so they kept the day gig.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2011/06/28 09:52:56
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 10:01:12
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 10:42:05
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Nice to hear people making things from wood with proper joints.
All the studio furniture here at The 4077 was hand built by me using mortise or lapped tenons with dowel pinning for additional strength where needed.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 14:02:47
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mike_mccue
I know biscuit joining isn't fine wood work... but I haven't seen much fine wood work in a furniture store in a while. I do see great work when I stop in at actual wood worker galleries but rarely see any "no screw or nail" joinery outside of a gallery like setting.
Sorry, but I totally disagree. If a join is invisible and struturally sound, it makes no sense to me to use a technique that takes way more time than an equivalent way (unless your aim is to simply spend more time in the wood shop, which is a legitimate one for some woodworkaholics). Besides, I don't have the tools and/or skills to do decent mortise and tenon joinery. I use biscuit joins, 3/8" dowels and even Kreig system screw joins ... whichever is appropriate for the job. My only problem with biscuits is that no matter how careful I am, in a dozen cuts, typically one of them always seems to be a little off depthwise. So I always dry fit the pieces first to see which ones I have to redo 2 "" away before picking up the glue.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 14:05:38
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timidi
Mike, This is a good forum for cabinetmaking, if you don't know about it.
Lot's of opinions on proper joinery too  http://www.woodweb.com/cgi-bin/forums/cabinetmaking.pl?
Thanks ... I guess. About the last thing I need is another forum to get addicted to. Between this one and KVR, I'm already spending way too much time avoiding actually accomplishing anything other than pleasantly sitting at my computer.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 18:15:52
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Shouldn't this topic be part of the food groups thread?
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/28 21:55:43
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Glue job on the first cabinet is done. Yeah!!!
Timidi, thanks for that link. It seems full of great info!
Now I have to finish the face frame for the matching cabinet and get it to the same stage as number 1.
best,
mike
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/29 10:32:36
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dmbaer
mike_mccue
I know biscuit joining isn't fine wood work... but I haven't seen much fine wood work in a furniture store in a while. I do see great work when I stop in at actual wood worker galleries but rarely see any "no screw or nail" joinery outside of a gallery like setting.
Sorry, but I totally disagree. If a join is invisible and struturally sound, it makes no sense to me to use a technique that takes way more time than an equivalent way (unless your aim is to simply spend more time in the wood shop, which is a legitimate one for some woodworkaholics). Besides, I don't have the tools and/or skills to do decent mortise and tenon joinery.
I use biscuit joins, 3/8" dowels and even Kreig system screw joins ... whichever is appropriate for the job. My only problem with biscuits is that no matter how careful I am, in a dozen cuts, typically one of them always seems to be a little off depthwise. So I always dry fit the pieces first to see which ones I have to redo 2 "" away before picking up the glue.
I thought a biscuit joiner would give one consistent depth of cut? That's assuming you can set depth of cut. The thing I worry about with a biscuit joiner is working an edge that's sticking upright and the joiner is able to wiggle side to side. Anybody up for making their own recording console furniture? Wouldn't mind tackling that if I could find plans online.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/29 11:03:58
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I use a router for biscuits so my depth is sort of eyeballed:) Hadn't thunk about it before but, i got a cheap router table about 1 year ago, now i can just close my eyes and cut. sweeet... i'd like one a them joiners though.
Jack, why do you need plans? Just look at pictures and start cuttin..
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/29 14:02:34
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jackn2mpu
I thought a biscuit joiner would give one consistent depth of cut? That's assuming you can set depth of cut. The thing I worry about with a biscuit joiner is working an edge that's sticking upright and the joiner is able to wiggle side to side.
Sorry, "depth" was a bad choice of words. Yes the depth of the cut is constant (and not subject to adjustment other than what size biscuit you've "dailed in"). What I was talking about is the distance of the cut from the surface that's parallel to the cut ... if that makes any sense at all. In other words, let's say you've got your biscuit cutter set to put the cut exactly in the middle of a 3/4" piece of wood. So, the center of the cut is exactly 3/8" from either surface. But even with best intentions and slow and steady work, the occassional cut ends up maybe 1/32" or even a little more off from the desired 3/8" center. My buscuit cutter doesn't lend itself to clamping to the flat surface, which would solve the problem. I'd do that if it was an option, even though it would make the job take twice as long.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/29 14:11:52
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"Anybody up for making their own recording console furniture? Wouldn't mind tackling that if I could find plans online. "
I did. I planned it for all the equipment I was going to using.
I also wanted some "features" such as a keyboard sliding support big enough
to hold two keyboards and still room for two mouses.
Also a hidden area. The top is hinged and covers a large enough area to hold
VG-8 , Roland GR-30 and power strip, cables..etc.
Furniture grade plywood and an idea...
Sure didn't cost me what they sell and it's perfect for my set-up. I'm talking a couple
hundred...they were talking thousands.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/29 14:48:10
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timidi: Why do I need plans? Let's put it this way: whenever I improvise with wood it tends to come out looking like something Tim 'Toolman' Taylor did instead of Norm Abrams. dmbaer: I understand completely what you're talking about with placement of the cut. If you don't get it right you could end up with the surfaces not joining correctly, if at all, because the slots don't line up. spacey: I know what you mean about 4 figure consoles. Argosy makes so really nice pieces but $5000+ ain't in my budget. I can get good furniture grade wood and rent the power tools I don't have and still come in way under that cost.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/29 15:05:00
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spacey:
I know what you mean about 4 figure consoles. Argosy makes so really nice pieces but $5000+ ain't in my budget. I can get good furniture grade wood and rent the power tools I don't have and still come in way under that cost.
That's correct. And if you need help with detailed plans and want help, I'll help.
If so PM and we'll go from there. Your part will be easy until the build. I'll just need
a rough idea or example of the design you like and then may have questions about
equipment(s) location(s) and dimensions.
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Re:biscuit joiner
2011/06/29 17:51:26
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Why do I need plans? Let's put it this way: whenever I improvise with wood it tends to come out looking like something Tim 'Toolman' Taylor did instead of Norm Abrams. +1
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