Urdypooh
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Flying with a guitar
I think this question had come up before but I can't find it anymore. Here is the thing: I was asked to bring a guitar from the US to Europe when I fly anyway. (It will be a brand new one in a hard case (brand new as well).) Would it be a good idea to actually fly with the guitar? Or would it be a better idea to send the guitar over via UPS or FEDEX or USPS? Thank you
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/06/29 15:47:34
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Check with the airline. I've flown first class with Alaska and been able to "check" the guitar at the gate. It was then returned to me at the gate upon arrival. This was post 9-11, but before things were so tight. I've "checked" guitars in flight cases numerous times, just like regular baggage. Always domestic though. I always tune down to "D" as well. Again, check with the airline. HTH
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/06/29 16:06:13
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If you do check it with baggage, do not open the case upon landing (to see if it's ok). Let it acclamate for awhile. I did this once (40 years ago) with my Martin and watched as hundreds of little hairline cracks appeared.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/06/30 09:12:52
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I've never actually "watched" it happen, but I've certainly seen the results! That's a "nitro" finish! If the instrument gets cold, leave it in the case. Good Advice timidi!
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/06/30 09:33:59
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Just don't fly UNITED Airlines.... I hear that United Breaks Guitars ! Some people buy a seat ticket for the guitar. Depending on the cost of the ticket.... it could be cheaper than shipping with suitable insurance.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/06/30 12:13:11
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I guess I will have to a) check with the airlines (of course I will have to take more than one just to make it more complicated) b) avoid United (...I had a not so nice encounter before where they completely had messed up with my luggage (suit case delayed, job interview, wrong assumption about me being German and therefore living in Germany (=longer delivery time)) I like the video. Thank you all for your advice.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/06/30 19:22:56
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If it's a fancy guitar, I would get a gig bag and take it onboard; and check the hard case separately... R
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/06/30 21:44:08
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You can also put a gun in the case and claim the firearm when you check in the guitar at baggage claim. They will be sure to watch that case a bit better that way.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/06/30 22:24:31
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No... you can't put a gun in the guitar case and check it. Guns and ammo have specific rules for checked baggage. The gun must be in a "Gun case" and locked and unloaded. Most of those special airline approved hardshell lockable gun cases will not fit in a guitar case with a guitar. Also, the advice is to NOT ID the luggage as containing a firearm. Theft is a MAJOR issue with identified luggage with a firearm tag on it. An unloaded, properly secured firearm poses no danger so there is NO need to identify a bag as containing a gun. It's best NOT to call attention to it. ALL that aside.... You can attempt to do a carry on. To do so, select a seat in the REAR of the plane. They always call the 1st class and rear of the plane first. As you enter the cabin, you can ask the stewards if they can store it for you in their locker. Every plane has a staff locker and if its not full, they will often let you place your guitar in there. If the flight is not 100% full, the overheads are often a viable place. BUT, if the plane is fully booked, they may not allow it in the overheads. I have also seen flights that have asked passengers to place oversized carry on luggage at the end of the jetway, near the cabin door. The ground crew will load it into the cargo hold and return it to the jetway at the next stop with the other carry on stuff. Remember>>>> 1st class passengers tend to get preferential treatment. People flying first class, with a guitar.... it's easy to convince them that you are a rock star, so ....... just a thought.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2011/06/30 22:28:08
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/01 01:11:33
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I asked just a few months ago, I was going to Hawaii on West Jet. they told me if there is room in this little cubby they have up where they cook your meals, then it can go in there. Not all planes have this cubby. The plane I was taking didn't have it. It's only found on the bigger jets. If it's in a gig back it might fit in the overhead and some airlines allow this , some free, some charge. You can guard it. If you ship it , I have a friend who builds guitars and he does this without mishap. He makes a plywood/ foam lined container that surrounds the standard guitar case. His guitars sell for $4,000.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/01 09:37:19
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Well...the problem is that I can't afford a first class ticket to Europe. (It is about 10x more expensive than an economy class ticket.) Even a second economy class ticket is out of the question for me unfortunately.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/01 12:05:14
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You don't mention if it's an acoustic or electric? Nor do you mention the value of the guitar? Both of those would impact your choice. I have flown between Canada and Europe (and Australia) dozens of times along with other band members - all of us carrying instruments. For the most part there is no problem checking guitars as you would a suitcase. They will all be considered "over-sized" and will be handled differently than standard luggage. (over-sized does not equal more money. It just means it won't be able to be placed on the standard conveyor belt system, and needs more human interaction. Not sure if that is good or bad) On just one occasion some of our instruments were delivered to the wrong city. We were re-united within 24 hours. One another occasion - a nightmare! My tele was handled so hard in it's case that it snapped a tuner peg on the high E. I also had a B-Bender (hip-shot) on that tele, and the low e tuning screw and bent (anyone that owns one of these, I dare you to try and bend that screw into a 90 degree angle). The guitar itself played fine once I replaced the parts, but this case obviously took a 10 - 20 ft tumble. God Bless Fenders! I also learned a great trick from Tele great Jerry Donahue (this will only work with electrics). When he travels he takes the neck off his guitar, and packs it in a normal suitcase surrounded with clothes. I did this for a few years, and it worked flawlessly, but of course you need to re-string it every time you fly, and I always worry that setting the neck that many times could become a problem down the road. My overall success has been about 90% - 95%. The problems I had were fixable, so I consider myself lucky. If you are really worried about it, buy some 3rd party insurance. It shouldn't cost that much. EDIT: I should add this. When I check my guitars in a case, the case is always padded with clothing. I wrap the headstock with a shirt or two, and stuff socks, undewear, shirts etc... thoughout the case so NOTHING can move. You especially do not want something loose (like a capo, slide, etc....) boucing around. I pack that stuff separately in my luggage.
post edited by codamedia - 2011/07/01 12:16:33
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/01 12:24:57
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That's true. I haven't mentioned that the guitar is going to be a Schecter Solo Vintage with tremolo bar. The price is around $500 (and I don't know yet what a case that fits this guitar *very* well would be...if there is such a thing...any suggestions?) Thank you again
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/01 15:04:42
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Have you called the airline to ask about their policy & pricing for guitar handling? Also check with UPS and FedEx to see what they charge to deliver it to you on the other end. I personally would feel better using a shipping service because I can buy insurance to cover damage or loss. And with very few exceptions, they get it to where it needs to be, when it needs to be there. I have traveled to Argentina and was asked to bring my guitar. I declined to bring the guitar due to the hassle of traveling internationally with it. I simply asked my friends in Argentina to see if I could be provided with a "loaner" and when I arrived, I was given a guitar to carry with me for the week.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/03 09:12:40
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i'd be wary of checking the guitar as regular luggage. I did this once. Granted it wasn't in a flight case but a regular hardshell case. But that's not the point. The guitar arrived with a 4"x5" hole punched in the top, luckily barely missing the guitar. When I complained, the airline pointed out the small print noting THE AIRLINE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR LOST LUGGAGE, BUT NOT DAMAGED LUGGAGE. If the guitar had gone missing, they would have compensated. A broken (but visible) instrument would be my problem. I'd use FEDEX or UPS. It might cost $100 or so and will be insured. It's cheaper than a second ticket, and the only downside is that it will take a few days longer than the flight. If you don't need the guitar for a few days, ship it beforehand so that it arrives at the same time you do.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/03 09:50:24
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Have you checked pricing? You'll never get the guitar to Europe for $100 using FEDEX or UPS! Flight case, pay the extra fee...
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/03 15:01:23
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DeeringAmps, correct. Using the weight and dimension parameters I get from the websites FEDEX and UPS would take a lot more than $400. But there is still USPS which would "just" cost me $118. (For the FEDEX and UPS price I actually could buy a flight ticket for the guitar.) I still need to check with the airline (I haven't actually bought the flight ticket yet and therefore don't know which airline to contact) how they would handle a guitar... though checking in the guitar really seems to take a chance on it. Goal is still to get it across the atlantic ocean a) safe and b) inexpensive (in this order).
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/03 23:20:23
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You do realize that if you "mail" your guitar to Europe there is no "real" tracking number in the sense that FEDEX or UPS provide? AND, it will be handed off the host country's mail system? Are you SURE that is what you want to do? If its not a "Golden Era" Gibson or Fender then put it in a flight case and "check" it as regular baggage. It won't be cheap, but that's about the best option.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/28 09:11:06
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My friend now doesn't want the case. (He gets a better case in Europe.) Has anybody ever tried to check a guitar that is in its original packaging (I guess it is cardboard)?
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/07/28 11:01:46
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I had heard a few horror story but I thought/hoped these were sort of exceptions. I'm traveling to Spain then Russia for the fall/winter and I'm starting to believe that it'll have to be w/o a guitar. :( Urdy, after reading the stories above, I'd have issues trusting even a hardshell in their hands.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/08/01 20:47:35
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Just a thought - if you're importing a guitar from the US into the EU you (or your friend) may well find yourself hit for VAT (Value Added Tax - EU wide sales tax at variable rates depending on the country) and import duty by customs on arrival. It might be a good idea to check for possible liability with the customs for the relevant country before flying. The tax bill can be pretty steep. In the case of the UK, I believe the total would be about 24% of the instrument's value. Even if you're just bringing the guitar across the Atlantic then taking it back again, you may need a customs carnet to avoid tax and duty.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/08/02 01:06:21
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Lufthansa allowed me to check in my guitar as an extra piece of luggage without charging anything. If the flight is not full, they may allow you to bring it into the cabin. However, that is a gamble. Don't count on that! If your guitar is an acoustic guitar and/or worth more than say 2k$, buy insurance for it an a good case! I cannot recommend air cargo. It is relatively cheap (compared to FedEx or paying for a second bag). But, I shipped my bicycle form Germany to the US. It got misrouted to Costa Rica. The box was damp and damaged when it finally arrived... Wilko
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/08/02 12:37:27
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I'm curious to see how this ends. Urdy, let us know which way you choose and the result!
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/08/02 20:04:17
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Original packages are very flimsy cardboard with a Styrofoam neck pad. The guitar might be wrapped in plastic. Yamaha used wax paper to fend off rust from the ocean trip. Build a plywood container, 3/8 spruce sheathing will do. Use 3/4 x about 5" high for the sides. Wrap the guitar in plastic. Place a 3/4 inch foamy on the bottom. Fill the box with packing foam or better yet spray can insulation foam. Screw the lid on. Main thing is to protect it from being crushed. Some airlines will let you put it in overhead in a gig bag.
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Re:Flying with a guitar
2011/08/02 20:15:24
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