Have got little problems with sound, please help

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2011/07/01 18:24:01 (permalink)

Have got little problems with sound, please help

Hi Friends,
Finally decided and took the right decision (Hope so) and finally bought the roland's Keyboard Controller A500pro.
I'm really being excited of buying it finally but after a long hours of studying how this stuff works (I'm a super newbie) I have found out, when there was already a sound that it comes in a delay.
What I mean is that when I hit a key, I hear the sound half a second later. the funny thing is that I see the computer responds immediately because I see the animation of the pressed key on the computer but the sound itself comes in a delay :(
What should I do? what's the problem?

My computer's hardware:
Processor : Intel E8400
Motherboard : P5QL-E
Using the sound interface built on the motherboard
Graphics card : 4870 1GBRAM in a crossfire
Hard Disk : Western Digital 500GB 7200RPM SATA II
Ram Memory : 2GBRAM

My new baby keyboard controller is the roland A500pro as I said before.
Please tell me what are yours recommendations, how can I fix the problem and what is the reason to such a problem.

Thanks a lot in advanced,
Sincerely yours, Ami.


P.S
In addition, noticed that when I try to record although the problemathic delay, for example I play a chromatic scale and when I play the recording there are few tones it doesn't replay although I heard them coming out from the computer when I was recording it. That's another little problem.


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    Chappel
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/01 18:40:44 (permalink)
    The delay you here is what is known as "Latency". The delay is a result of the computer/audio interface having to make the sound the soft synths produce. Latency is also inherent in audio recording. The easy answer is that you need a better audio interface than the one that comes with your computer. An audio interface handles the bulk of the processing required to turn digital information into the sound we hear.

    The inability of your computer's built in audio interface may also be the cause of the missing notes on playback, but that's just a guess.

    No matter what else may be going on in your system, until you upgrade your audio interface you will always have to deal with its limitations. Good audio interfaces come in different types. PCI and PCIe soundcards which go inside a desktop computer, and Firewire, and USB external audio interfaces. Plan on spending around 100$ on up to buy a new audio interface. Better ones are more expensive but have more advantages, including reduced latency. Many audio interfaces include a built in Midi interface.
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/01 18:51:14 (permalink)
    Hi Chappel,
    Thanks for your fast answer.
    well, can you recommend me some good audio interface that is pretty cheap for beginners that will get a small latency and a one that I won't be able almost to feel that fits with a mixer like the pv6 or the audiogram6 or some other kind of a good mixer with 3+ inputs?
    By the way, I don't care if the audio interface is a PCI or USB.  

    What can you suggest me?
    By the way about the mixers, I need one and it's what I thought of, is it good? is there something better (with a usb/firewire connection to the computer).
    I just need something that will fit to what I get in the audio interface..



    P.S
    if I buy an audio interface and the problem continues?
    Is it possible?
    If it does, what do you think could be the problem then?


    post edited by goldami1 - 2011/07/01 19:05:37
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    Chappel
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/01 19:20:25 (permalink)
    Myself, I use a Cakewalk UA-1G with a Mackie 12 channel mixer. It's a pretty good combination and allows me some flexibility. While I don't have any complaints about the UA-1G I wish I had spent an extra $50-$100 and got something more sophisticated. I spent $100 on the UA-1G and it's well worth that price. I haven't used any other interfaces for quite some time so i can't make any other recommendation. Hopefully someone else will chime in and give some info on other devices they have used and like.

    Any regular mixer you get will work with any audio interface. More sophisticated interfaces have many of the same features as a mixer.
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/02 14:10:45 (permalink)

    Help me please, I have no idea what to do know? is the problem connected really with the sound card or is there another problem?
    If the sound card does really the problem, what kind of sound interface should I take in such a condition?
    will the http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/1212MPCIe/ solve the problem?  or the UA-1G is enough?

    Thanks in advanced,
    Ami.
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/02 15:58:16 (permalink)
    That looks like it should work, but the one thing that jumps out at me is that it doesn't support phantom power to condenser mics, which you may want some day (or not, but should be aware of it).

    Beagle has a great page on learning about soundcards and includes a spreadsheet of various cards that may help you.
    http://homerecording.beag.../cards/soundcards.html

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    Chappel
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/02 16:07:45 (permalink)
    goldami1


    Help me please, I have no idea what to do know? is the problem connected really with the sound card or is there another problem?
    If the sound card does really the problem, what kind of sound interface should I take in such a condition?
    will the http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/1212MPCIe/ solve the problem?  or the UA-1G is enough?

    Thanks in advanced,
    Ami.


    I can't say the UA-1G would be enough for you because I don't know what your needs/wants are. You may not even know them completely yet. It works for me and I have no complaints. While the EMU device says it has 12 inputs/outputs, he device itself only has 2 analog in and two analog out and requires two PCIe slots to make use of all its features.

    I do urge you to keep researching the subject before buying anything. There are a lot of audio interfaces out there. I have seen some here post that they bought a Focusrite Saphire 6 and were very happy with it.

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Saff6USB/

    For sure read that link to Beagle's site that jhughs posted. I know you're frustrated but please take a little time. And post back here asking questions about any other devices you have your eye on. Many folks here might be able to give you an insight into things that the retailers/manufacturers can be ambiguous about, like how good/current the drivers are or how well it works with Cakewalk software.

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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/02 20:08:54 (permalink)
    +1 for the Focusrite Saffire 6 USB!


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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/02 20:23:24 (permalink)
    gray36


    +1 for the Focusrite Saffire 6 USB!


    Yeah, if I were in the market to upgrade my audio interface I'd get that one.
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/02 20:36:45 (permalink)
    I have posted a couple of times already on how easy it was to get going, on x64 Windows 7, just a couple months ago, 5 minutes! Plus it comes with a few extra goodies, at $169. I believe at Sweetwater, can;t beat it!


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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/02 21:56:35 (permalink)
    No disrespect meant for Chappel, but your computer should handle real time playing using your keyboard without noticable latency if that is all you are playing.  I think you might want to look for more advice before spending money on additional hardware. 
     
    I would look to see that you aren't overdriving your soundcard by having the levels too high.  This sounds like you need configuration help first - possibly hardware later.
     
    What software are you using on the computer?  Can you play sample MIDI or project files that were supplied with the software?  Do you have a good enough set of speakers connected to tell if the sounds being produced by the computer are significantly distorted?
     
     
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/02 23:51:09 (permalink)
    I could be missing something, but he doesn't want to just use his computer for a sound output(amplification), for his keyboard, I'm sure he wants to record, or capture it somewhere down the road. Add more sounds than one(overdub), an audio interface is a piece of hardware, that is a must!, if you plan doing anything but use your computer as a sound source. Sure you can plug in and play, but once again, just guessing, he is gonna want more than just sound to come out?


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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/03 00:18:05 (permalink)
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    No disrespect meant for Chappel, but your computer should handle real time playing using your keyboard without noticable latency if that is all you are playing.  I think you might want to look for more advice before spending money on additional hardware. 
     
    I would look to see that you aren't overdriving your soundcard by having the levels too high.  This sounds like you need configuration help first - possibly hardware later.
     
    What software are you using on the computer?  Can you play sample MIDI or project files that were supplied with the software?  Do you have a good enough set of speakers connected to tell if the sounds being produced by the computer are significantly distorted?
     
     


    Since the OP is trying to make sounds with a Controller I assumed he was trying to play a soft synth live. If that is the case I would be very surprised if his integrated audio device wasn't the heart of the problem. But I could be wrong. I hope you can help the OP fix his problem where I couldn't.
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/03 01:32:42 (permalink)
    ggcolbert, I promise I mean no disrespect for you, but Chappel has been helping people here with very detailed screenshots, great knowledge of the software, and hardware side. He would never point someone in the wrong direction intentionally, and I understand what are saying, but like you said, until we know precisely what the OP wants to do, an onboard soundcard is never going to cut it, I think thats the point we are trying to get across. Like previously said, if you know of a way for him to fix his problem, and not run into latency problems, with a bunch of other things that internal cards just aren't meant for, I wish you the best. Thanks Chappel, I have never gotten the chance to properly thank you for the input across the board, I've learned a lot watching from the sidelines!

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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/03 01:48:34 (permalink)
    Thank you for your very kind words, gray36. I do what I can to help keep the flow of information moving forward and because making music is important. If I can help someone by posting a few screencaps I consider that time very well spent. But I am far from perfect or an expert in these matters and if gcolbert, or anyone else, has input or sees something that I'm missing, or can correct a mistake or wrong assumption on my part I applaud and support their efforts 100%.
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/03 07:37:34 (permalink)
    Chappel has been helping people here with very detailed screenshots, great knowledge of the software, and hardware side.

    Chappel and Beagle and a few other people have provided advice and insight that has helped me a lot.  I am thankful for the information that he has given to me on many occasions. 
     
    If a dual core intel CPU at 3.00 Ghz on a board with 2Gb of RAM can't run real-time MIDI using a built-in Realtek sound card to play a soft-synth using an A500 Pro keyboard with no noticible latency there is something wrong with the configuration.  The Realtek audio has a bad reputation, but audio quality aside, it should be working in this application.
     
    Actually, Chappel has been working with the OP for over a month.  His patience in just not telling him to RTFM is admirable. 
     
    I think that this is probably more related to having latency compensation turned on somewhere or driving the audio engine into dropout mode, or bad buffer settings.  My first recommendation would have been to have the OP install ASIO4ALL.  It was specifically written to improve performance on Realtek built-in soundcards.  I don't think this is a situation where throwing hardwase at the problem is going to help.
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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/04 03:13:59 (permalink)
    I think it must be partly language barrier w/ OP, but I was merely saying if you purchased Sonar 8.5, and an A500 Pro, with a nice puter, you better be throwing something at it. ASIO4ALL may work with Realtek,  but seriously what can he do with it. UA-1G($79), and thats all for me folks, good luck goldami1!

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    Re:Have got little problems with sound, please help 2011/07/06 08:35:55 (permalink)
    Ami,
     
      Haven't heard back from you in a bit.  I'm just wondering if the performance problems that you are experiencing could be from Sonar not being properly installed.  You may want to go to the Cakewalk Store site and check your products/registrations to make sure that the product and serial number match your installation.
     
      Log into the Cakewalk Store with your account.  go to the "My Registered Products" tab and write down the Products and Serial Numbers (There should be more than one) for your Sonar products.  DO NOT POST YOUR SERIAL NUMBERS ON THE FORUM, but please post what products you have registered.  Then go to the Help in Sonar and verify that the serial numbers installed on your computer match those from the store.  It could be that you are just missing part of the install.
     
      Have you tried installing ASIO4ALL yet?
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