new computer and upgrading sonar - suggestions

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2011/07/07 15:05:41 (permalink)

new computer and upgrading sonar - suggestions

It has been a while since using my old system for recording and I am looking forward to getting back into it.  I am running a windows XP system with sonar 4 and having a lot of drop outs.  It is a multi use system with some video applications and photo editing and iTunes as well.  Other equipment I have are several line 6 PODs, aardvark multipro 24/96 card and interface, numerous plugins and virtuaql synths.
 
I want to upgrade to the latest Sonar and utilize a Delta 1010 with the current external line 6s (one for bass and one for guitar).  Anyone have any suggestions on out of the box suggestions?  Any suggestions on rebuilding a new system?
 
Last question for now is - what is the best way to go about transferring all of the old projects and audio files to the new system without losing data or the project associations?
 
My knowledge of IT is relatively low - I am a user not a programmer so thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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    karma1959
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    Re:new computer and upgrading sonar - suggestions 2011/07/07 15:50:46 (permalink)
    For clarity - you're looking for a new system, correct?  Or do you want to know about rebuilding your existing system?  Assuming you're looking for a new system, this could be a very detailed conversation - firstly - what's your budget?
     
    Here are a couple thoughts to get you started:
    - Are you planning on going 32 or 64 bit OS and DAW?  64 bit is the wave of the future and obviously gives you the ability to use more RAM, however you may have some 32 bit plugins which may not work well in a 64 bit DAW.  Most 32 bit plugs should be fine though - as Sonar includes a 'bitbridge' which allows them to function within the 64 bit DAW.  If bitbridge doesn't work properly , you could also use a third party 'jbridge'.  That said, you should do a quick inventory of your hardware / software / plugins, etc to understand 64-bit compatibility before making the decision.    
    - Are you going to use this as a dedicated DAW, or will you continue to use it for other purposes as your previous PC?  I think many people will recommend trying to dedicate your PC hardware to DAW usage, or at least minimize other uses as much as possible - as other things, such as wireless NICs, etc could potentially cause issues.  
     
    - CPU - clearly faster and multi-core is better than not.    This would likely be driven by your budget.
    - Hard Drive - Using more than 1 hard drive is better (1 hard drive for OS and applications, another drive for data files and maybe a third for digital samples if you're using some sampler with high I/O - such as a drum audio workstation, etc).  You probably don't want drives slower than 7200rpm
    - Memory - again, more is better, however given 64 bit OS and DAWs being the future - you likely want to consider a significant amount (e.g. 8gig)
    - If you plan on running a Firewire audio interface - you'll want the Texas Instruments chipset.  You'll also want to research motherboard and video cards for support, drivers, compatibility, etc. 
     
    - Most importantly - you can have someone custom build you a PC tuned for a killer DAW - Jim Rosberry is a member of this forum who's received rave reviews of his custom built audio workstations.  You may want to consider that option and remove many of the potential questions from the equation. 
     
    Again - this is not meant to be comprehensive, but hopefully has given you a few things to start your thought process.
    Regarding your question of how to transfer files - other folks may have more elegant solutions - however historically I've simply backed up my files onto a USB external drive, then copied them back to the new PC once everything was installed / tested.  Hopefully you'll have a backup copy of your data anyway.  The key factor is determining where the required data files are (e.g. the cakewalk projects directory, etc) to ensure you don't miss any files.
     
    Hope this helps
    Russ 
     
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    Re:new computer and upgrading sonar - suggestions 2011/07/08 13:17:51 (permalink)
    When you get your new system, buy the Windows Easy Transfer cable and transfer all your stuff over to the new one. Sonar 4 won't "upgrade". Actually, NONE of the versions actually "upgrade". They just do a new install and check for an existing version to allow the upgrade. Yours is probably too old to qualify for any discounted upgrade pricing, so I would take advantage of the current offer that allows you to upgrade for $99 if they will let you do that.
    Then you will need to COPY all your current project files over to the new system and into the directory that you will be using on that computer for your SONAR files. When you install the new version to the new computer, just be sure to check ALL the different file types for compatibility in that install dialogue.
    Once you have done that, X1 will open whatever old SONAR files it sees and convert them to X1 files.
    Since you did a COPY, you will still have your old files on the old computer in case something doesnt' quite work in the translation, which sometimes happens.

    The other option is, on your old computer, export all your projects as .BUN files <Cakewalk bundle files> and onto an external hard drive, then plug that drive into your new computer and open them, then save them on the new system.

    Hope that helps!
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    Re:new computer and upgrading sonar - suggestions 2011/07/09 01:33:50 (permalink)
    I am just about to upgrade once the funds come in to make it feasible.
    I am running an XP quad-core system with 3GB of ram (which is LAME by today's standards!).

    I get mine built by a shop in town, and they seriously do a fantastic job and take great care of their return customers.  If you know of ANY shops like that in your area, go talk to them.  Explain what you need the computer for and all that.  If they are any good and/or nice, they will tell you what you need and don't need and why.

    I'm getting a 64-bit system because the system is gonna last me another 5 years (i'm hoping).  So 64-bit is coming on strong now.  I'm getting 16GB of RAM, 2x the CPU cores, and bigger hard-drives.  I was pondering a Solid-State drive, but I read that they tend to breakdown moreso than normal drives (could be BS, but their price is also a negating factor).

    As for getting X1, all of my Sonar 8 projects have opened on it when installed on XP.  But that's not as old as S4!

    Also, as the person above said... do a search of all ur software drivers and make sure they are 64-bit compatible or have a 64-bit version.  Same with your plugins.  64-bit if you can get it.
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    Re:new computer and upgrading sonar - suggestions 2011/07/09 17:29:13 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone.  All good ideas.  unfortunately, due to space and other interests with others in the family, I cannot do a dedicated DAW although I agree with the concept whole heartedly with the concept.  It sounds like the best idea is to transfer the files instead of just yanking out the hard drive from the old computer with the Sonar files on it and installing in the new system. 
     
    I will go with a 64 bit system as this sounds like the way to go from here on out.  Many of my old plugins were basically effects i used on vocals, guitars and bass.  There were a few synths but they probably need to be upgraded and simplified anyway.  There were a lot junky ones that I never deleted taht were free from a disk that came with a magazine or downloads.  I just hope that BFD will still work on the 64 bit system.
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