Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard

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2011/07/09 10:52:08 (permalink)

Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard

Ive just tried to install Nocturn Keyboard an when im using it as a keyboard with any softsynth Ive got a strange response delay. Very long. I know Ive must have done something wrong in my settings because this is just too long, but I really dont know what the problem is. Does anybody have a good idea how to fix this?
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    Fog
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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/09 11:18:22 (permalink)
    could be a number of things.. sure it's not audio latency ? and NOT midi issues..  the keyboard is only triggering the sound, nothing else.. and if your soundcard isn't up to scratch (or an onboard) then thats more likely the issue.

    otherwise have a look in the midi settings ? you might find the thing also has 2 things e.g. usb and an automap 1, try selecting the one that isn't automap.

    you use a sustain pedal ? make sure that isn't inverted.

    and the velocity curve + after touch might be an issue.. you can master reset the keyboard also.. instructions are in the manual probably.

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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/09 11:49:34 (permalink)
    we need system specs and especially what soundcard you're using and the reported latency in the preferences.

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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/09 12:13:25 (permalink)
    I just cant think its just normal latency. Here is how it works:

    1:When I create a new instrument track the latecy is fine when i play back just that track
    2:When I play back the track with other tracks I got a strangely long latency. talking about 400 ms or more. (the amount of latecy is the same if i use 1 track with a plug in och 10 times the plugins
    3: When I stop play back the other tracks and playing only the instrument track the latency dont go away. Its still there.
    4: When i leave the application (just clicking on a webbrowser window and then back to Sonar without cuitting ore saving) the latency is gone.

    So its just not normal latency. Is there someone who have experienced the same problem? Im sure its just an easy setting i just missed.


    Im using Sonar X1, PC with I7 processor, Delta 192-card, Windows 7 64.....

     

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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/09 12:40:05 (permalink)
    when you said 4: .. it sounds like an audio problem.. the midi keyboard, well it's not generating any sound .. it's solely a midi trigger.

    not to do with the keyboard.. go into your preference audio setting.. make sure the delta is the only thing listed / ticked input and output box wise.. NOT your onboard card also...apply

    go driver.. it's wdm / mme ? set that to asio, and apply.

    there is 2 "latencies" as such audio and midi. but what you describe is normally down to the asio/audio side of things.


    post edited by Fog - 2011/07/09 12:44:34
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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/09 14:38:10 (permalink)
    Thanks for the help. Unfortunally i have tried all that.

    I have narrowed down tre problem a little bit more. There are only some plugins that create the problems.

    LP64 plugins and TL62 plugins seems to create this problem even when i freeze a track and the latency problem its still there after switching them off (turn on the problem accurs. Turn off the problem still there.....strange, isnt it).

    VX64 and VC64 does not create the problem.along with a lot of others.



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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/09 14:45:54 (permalink)
    and you've gone into the cards own asio panel ? and adjusted that to higher buffer etc?

    and your 100% sure it is actually in asio mode. what about the timing master.. it's the delta card?





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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/09 14:55:22 (permalink)

    Yes, Yes and.... Yes. Checked :-)

    but still this absolute madness :-(

    It feels like I missed something easy. just a tick in a box but.... Even trippel checked Novations instructions setting for Sonar but the problem is still there...
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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/09 15:28:11 (permalink)
    ok.. drag some audio in using the browser.. add an effect in the fx bin or console..

    and it does the same ? if so.. then it's the sound card

    look at audio prefs.. yours will show up with the delta.. notice on mine only the focurrite is ticked  , but in your case it'll say m-audio or delta etc.



    is there a control panel that m audio make for that card? look into that also.. you might have a setting missing in that.

    post edited by Fog - 2011/07/09 15:31:25
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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/09 17:33:18 (permalink)
    Been there done that......

    There is not problem with audiofiles. Its only a delay in playback of an VST istrument (in this case Z3TA+) from a Nocturn keyboard and its just in some specific cases, as i described.

    In those specific cases I specified there is a delay that shouldnt be there. The delay is between playing on the Nocturn and the playback from the instrument. Its just driving me mad... 
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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/09 18:26:59 (permalink)
    someone mentioned

    http://www.cakewalk.com/s...reader.aspx/2007013069

    recently on the forum, with regard to the automap angle it's pretty generic as all 3 things I have by them use it.

    you've been thru ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE0QQPLhR4U

    I run an SL25 mk2 and well , it didn't / hasn't given such issue. It does has a reset facility / overwrite with defaults. I haven't had time to set it up totally for sonar yet though.

    post edited by Fog - 2011/07/09 18:33:26
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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/10 11:36:30 (permalink)
    Nothing changed. Still having the same problem. Ive even uninstalled automap to see what will happens, but still got the same problem.

    Adding just one plugin on a different audiotrack shouldnt greate this gigant leap of latency. Especially when adding tons of other plugins the same way doesnt create a problem at all. There must me some one else noticed this. or?
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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/10 12:40:23 (permalink)
    so this keyboard is from new , and no one adjusted patches on it etc ?

    also did it work before and now doesn't..

    you running a USB hub or anything in the USB that might "mess it up" e.g. logitech things have in the past..


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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/10 14:38:39 (permalink)
    The keyboard is from Novation.

    The issue is not the keyboard and usb. Thats ruled out. Of cause it can be the keyboards driver but i dont think so.
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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/10 15:28:09 (permalink)
    well i did ask if it's just suddenly started doing it.. or it's done it from new

    you tried that also?
    http://www.novationmusic..../en/article.php?id=546

    my sl mk2 I just plugged and basic (keys) functionality just worked.
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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/10 17:25:15 (permalink)
    I found the problem :-)

    I just have to turn off PDC an then it worked as it should.

    It was just as easy fix as I expected. Just a tick in a box that I missed. Similar to forget to turn on a powerswitch :-)

    Well im not the only one with this Issue. When i searched this forum there was a couple of similar threads. Hopefully someone else will be helped with this thread.



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    Re:Strange delay using Nocturn Keyboard 2011/07/10 18:44:56 (permalink)
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