Please help me find the rhythm!

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2011/07/13 11:36:54 (permalink)

Please help me find the rhythm!

This is very embarrassing, very basic and it never happend before : I simply can't find out what the rhythm is on my new project. In other words: I can't find the right settings that will make features like quantizing and the Step Sequencer act the way I want them to. I tried with 1/16, 1/16 triplets as well as 1/32/triplets with no luck.
 
I'd be very thankful if someone would be so kind and listen to a 4 second drum-clip I uploaded on Soundcloud and tell me, what the settings should be for quantize and the SS.
 
The link : http://soundcloud.com/erik-oberg/basicdrums-drums
 
Thanks a million in advance and best regards from...

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    yorolpal
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    Re:Please help me find the rhythm! 2011/07/13 11:42:51 (permalink)
    Well that's a "shuffle".  So you can either quantize to eighths and keep increasing your strength until you get what your after...probably around 63-65 perhaps.  Or...look in your groove templates and find an appropriate 8th shuffle feel.
     
    PS:  My menu nomenclature might be a bit off as I'm not at my DAW now.  But I'm sure someone else will chime in presently also.
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    Re:Please help me find the rhythm! 2011/07/13 11:42:59 (permalink)
    Sounds like a basic shuffle to me ... swung eighths. So you would need to quantize to 1/8 triplets.

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    Re:Please help me find the rhythm! 2011/07/13 11:47:47 (permalink)
    Yup...8th triplets will do it.  But it will lose a tad of true laid back shuffle feel if he just hard quantizes to 8th triplets.  Might get a little mechanical.  Give both a try there Erik and see which works best for you.

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    Re:Please help me find the rhythm! 2011/07/13 11:55:00 (permalink)
    I would call that 12/8


    Set the time sig to 12/8  make sure the SS shows 12 steps per pattern/bar.
    Snare goes on 4 and 10
    HH on 1,3,6,7,9,12
    Kick on 1,7

    Then you can use standard 1/4  1/8 or 1/16 quantise without worrying about tuplets.

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    Re:Please help me find the rhythm! 2011/07/13 11:56:55 (permalink)
    Yeah, if you want a laid-back feel, using triplets might be too rigid.

    Actually I see there's a "Swing" control in the Quantize dialog, so you might be better off quantizing to 8th and playing with the Swing and Strength. And I guess that would avoid moving any notes that are too far off into the middle position of the triplet.

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    Re:Please help me find the rhythm! 2011/07/13 11:57:38 (permalink)
    Great! Thanks a lot both of you :-) Would you know which Beats and Steps settings to use in the SS ? The basic rhythm is fine with 8/8, but when I make rolls, I can't make them fit.

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    Re:Please help me find the rhythm! 2011/07/13 12:00:55 (permalink)
    Oh I see that's already answered! Thanks a lot for the thoughough guide Karyn. That will save me a lot of time. Thanks a lot everybody. I really appreciate it.
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    post edited by Erik_O - 2011/07/13 12:06:28

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    Re:Please help me find the rhythm! 2011/07/13 12:11:37 (permalink)
    Karyn


    I would call that 12/8


    Set the time sig to 12/8  make sure the SS shows 12 steps per pattern/bar.
    Snare goes on 4 and 10
    HH on 1,3,6,7,9,12
    Kick on 1,7

    Then you can use standard 1/4  1/8 or 1/16 quantise without worrying about tuplets.


    Sounds like the first verse from "Close to the Edge" to me.

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    Re:Please help me find the rhythm! 2011/07/13 13:23:21 (permalink)
    I always use 1/8 triplets for swing but using straight 1/8s and adjusting the swing in the quantizing window might make your score easier to read if you don't swing all the way to triplets.

    Sonar does not display swing in a friendly manner, and, honestly, most printed sheet music just uses 1/8s and with a note at the top to indicate swing.  I write swing as 12/8 instead of 4/4 but most musicians hate that.
    By the way, no need to be embarrassed at all.  I have known seasoned producers with gold records who were confused by this.  They knew the feel they wanted but did not know how to express it in music theory terms.
    post edited by konradh - 2011/07/13 13:25:21
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