converting vinyl

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2011/07/14 17:50:05 (permalink)

converting vinyl

Hello everyone! This may be a dumb question but i'm gonna ask it because i just have'nt been able to do it on my own. I'm converting vinyl to cd for a guy and i have been doing one song at a time and making a seperate project for each song. this would'nt be so bad if the music did'nt suck but it does. i searched the net and this site and have come up empty.  there's gotta be a better and faster way than one song at a time and still be able to have seperate tracks on the cd. helpppppp! i got 150 albums to do
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    Re:converting vinyl 2011/07/14 17:53:55 (permalink)
    i have been doing one song at a time and making a separate project for each song.

    Instead of doing one song per project, do one album per project. That's all i got!!
     
    Hehe, You can speed up the record player and while recording it into sonar and then use audio snap to slow it down. dont know if that would be faster, as you would be adding an extra step using audio snap..


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    Re:converting vinyl 2011/07/14 18:28:18 (permalink)
    It is quite a big job. I would create a new folder for each album otherwise it is going to get out of control with the number of tracks. I would create one stereo track and have all the tracks following each other.

    You cannot walk away from a job like this. It is best to capture each track separately and you need to name them then. (providing you can lift the stylus, hold above and hover and lower back down perfectly. I can do that with the Technics turntable I have) Otherwise capture a whole side at once and just call it Side 1 etc and then you will have to open it up maybe in another program and separate and name the tracks then. Either way you have to deal with all the tracks separately at some time. It is not enough to rename clips either. You have to make sure the individual wave files are renamed.

    Allow for the disc space required unless you back up as you go. 150 albums might need 80 Gig of hard drive space. It is good to use the best turntable with pickup cartridge and RIAA pre amp if you can. Nice converters help as well. I would not do any processing on the way in. Just capture flat response. Good thing about vinyl is that once you get a good level set, it will be consistent for the whole album and there are rarely digital overs as well.

    I would not speed up the turntable, not a great idea. You will not gain much and will have to a do a lot of processing later to bring it all back to normal.

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    Re:converting vinyl 2011/07/14 18:56:56 (permalink)
     would not speed up the turntable, not a great idea

    I was joking. hence the hehehe

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    Re:converting vinyl 2011/07/14 19:41:05 (permalink)
    thanks jeff. here we go
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    Re:converting vinyl 2011/07/14 20:36:57 (permalink)
    I would never use Sonar for this kind of work. Sonar is a multi track recording DAW.  And it has very limited wave editing which is what you need.  You should use a stereo mastering program like Wave Lab. Wave lab will let you record the whole side in one pass and if you are on hand,  which is highly recommended to prevent major errors, just increment though the recording track numbers with a simple click, click as you go. It can also be set to increment tracks by silence , but vinyl is never silent..  I've done lots of this work. And yes the music can be painful,,, Old timers used to go into studios and do one off metal core pressings. Amateur groups producing albums that were very badly pressed so have flaws in the surface... I  can't do 78's because that takes a special needle and turntable.

    Then you need some special plug ins for removing the noise that is unique to LP's. This can cost big money if you purchase the good stuff. I am just using Wave labs but I have a friend who specializes and he has something he payed $$$ for. He's currently archiving all the old Doukhobor choir stuff and getting a cool cultural grant to do it so it's a good investment if you want the work. I think I have made 1/3 of my studio income from tape/ LP conversions, This has slowed down with the advent of torrents and U tube.

    But if someone just wants you to convert  old Fleetwood Mac albums , this is a waste of time. First see if the album was put out on CD. It costs about $100 per album to do it at studio time ( $25 per hour)
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    Re:converting vinyl 2011/07/15 11:19:31 (permalink)
    I was joking. hence the hehehe

    Well I got it and it made me laugh!
    Sears put out a whole stereo unit with a turntable, tape deck and a CD burner built in for $150! Go Granny Go! Then there's those USB turntables for DJ's. Must be like USB mikes with $2 A/D converters built in.


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    Re:converting vinyl 2011/07/15 12:15:24 (permalink)
    IMO it's equally fast to record track by track as compared to recording whole album and then adding track indexes.

    Also, IMO, a vinyl of good condition played with a good turntable/pickup does not require any slow and/or expensive editing. You can as well let it sound like real vinyl. But it's up to you, of course. It depends on whether you reach for maximum quality without fear of expenses and time spent, or whether you just want to change the medium with decent quality.

    You could also check for CD versions of your most precious vinyls, or the ones that are in worst condition, and record yourself only the ones that are faultless and/or not available in CD stores.

    I've recorded many vinyls with Wavelab Lite just editing out some worst crackles and using no hiss removal plugins.

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    Re:converting vinyl 2011/07/15 18:39:59 (permalink)
    IMO it's equally fast to record track by track as compared to recording whole album and then adding track indexes.

    With Wave lab you leave the record LP or tape running and simply click Wave Labs transports stop and then immediately the  click record and a new file is started. This takes only a second. The new track file is tiled on top of the last one and they all stay open.  You also use the "Named File"  and the "Auto Number" feature and the whole album will go into a folder with each cut numbered in sequence. Simple to add the song titles later. The Named file feature will add a prefix too.
    Once the album has played through you have each track ready to edit and save. Most will need a bit of work at the beginning and end and yes  possibly a little noise removal. Then I Normalize to around -1 db.  The time consuming part is removing real bad pops and clicks manually if the record had a few scratches. But all is easy to do with the right tools, Sonar really does not have any of this stuff. It does a great job of what it was intended for, Multi track recording of MIDI and Audio. ( Video??)

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