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2011/07/18 20:40:42 (permalink)

Sound from computer speakers

I have had Sonar Home Studio 6 for some time and have just had time to try to figure it out.  I have a Tascam interface hooked up by usb to the computer and then connected to a Yamaha keyboard for MIDI.  Inputs and outputs are connected normally. I am hearing the selected sound through the speakers of the keyboard but cannot hear the loop track or the metronome click.  I cannot get any sound from my computer speakers.  I have the integrated Sigma Tel Audio for computer sound.  I tried to change the output to the computer speakers but can't find the Sigma Tel listed.  Also, for some reason, I am not hearing tones from notes below F# below middle C on the keyboard.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.  It's giving me a real headache!
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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/18 21:42:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
What's the TASCAM device?
That could essentially be your sound card when recording.
Does it have outputs for a headphone and/or speakers?
Try plugging into those and you will, hopefully, hear something.

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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/18 21:53:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Well, the Sigmatel is not going to give you very good results. Go to Options-Audio-Advanced and set the driver mode to MME. (You could also try WDM, but I think the Sigmatel is only capable of MME mode. 

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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/18 22:34:51 (permalink)
The Tascam is US-122L usb 2.0 audio/MIDI interface.  Tried the phones jack with no results.  It does have line out jacks but I don't have any powered speakers unless I use a guitar amp.  I can hear the metronome now but still through the keyboard speakers.   I had tried the Sonar program once before without MIDI set up and couldn't get any sound from the computer then either.  Not having sound other than from the MIDI keyboard makes the program almost useless and it has so much capability so I hope someone can give me some ideas.  Maybe I have disabled something in setting up Sonar but sound is working normally when doing other processes on the computer.
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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/19 00:24:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
You should use the TASCAM for both recording and playback; don't use the onboard sound card. Using 2 different sound cards will lead to synchronization problems and the SigmaTel is not nearly as effective as the TASCAM for playback of multiple tracks.
Do you have a stereo system to connect the TASCAM's outputs to?
What operating system are you using? Is it a 64-bit OS?
How much memory does it have?
Under Options>Audio, what is listed for playback and recording timing masters? What driver mode are you using? What drivers are highlighted (selected) under the Drivers tab?
The TASCAM may have a mixer window where you can choose inputs and outputs, including headphone, and set recording and playback levels.

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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/19 00:46:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpful

You are correct in that SHS6 is a very capable program. Even though I have Sonar 8.3 and X1, I work in SHS6 daily.
After reading your post several times, I believe your problem boils down to some basic routing and setup issues.
This has several layers, so I am going to break your post down and try to answer each question separately.

I have had Sonar Home Studio 6 for some time and have just had time to try to figure it out. 
Initial setup is possibly the most brutal part of the learning curve. Once you get past this part, it gets easier. Well, sort of.

1.I have a Tascam interface hooked up by usb to the computer 
Ok, this is your sound card. That's very important. I am guessing you are using the ASIO drivers for the Tascam, since the Sigma Tel is not available as an option. That's a good thing. You want to use the Tascam exclusively.
Click Options>Audio.
Under the General tab, make sure the Tascam is selected as both record and Playback Timing Master.
Set your Sampling Rate to 44100.
The Buffer Size slider will be locked if you are using ASIO, but it should show about 10 msec.
Now click the Drivers tab.
Put a checkmark in all I/O boxes (they should all reflect the Tascam).
Click OK.

2.and then connected to a Yamaha keyboard for MIDI.
The Yamaha is connected to the MIDI I/O ports on the Tascam, correct? That should be fine, although Yamahas are notoriously finicky about MIDI connections via USB, and this may be playing a part in the key range thing.

3.Inputs and outputs are connected normally.
Maybe, maybe not.
Do you have the audio outputs of the Yamaha connected to the Line Ins of the Tascam? It's all about signal flow.

4.I am hearing the selected sound through the speakers of the keyboard but cannot hear the loop track or the metronome click.
Now we are starting to get to the meat.
You have the MIDI output set to the Yamaha via the Tascam MIDI Out port, correct?
This means the sound is being created in the Yamaha. The MIDI just tells it what to play.
To hear the sounds from the Yamaha, you need to send the audio output to an audio track in SHS6. See #3.
-OR-
And this where it gets really fun, you can use a softsynth.
This is the crux of the biscuit. The reason you hear no sound from the speakers, is there is no sound to hear.
If I am reading your post correctly, your sound is being created outside of SHS6, and you have not provided a path for the sound to get back to SHS6, and to the speakers.
Are you with me so far?
Again, signal flow. It's all about signal flow.
This is the part that trips up most new users, but once you wrap your head around it, you can find your way.

What is the loop track? MIDI or audio?

5.cannot hear the metronome click.
Use the audio metronome, not the MIDI. This should output to your interface.


6.I cannot get any sound from my computer speakers. 
If you are set up properly, you won't.
Remember, the Tascam(or any recording interface) is exclusive, using ASIO.

Try using a softsynth (TTS-1) Do tutorials #1 and #4 (I think).
Among other things, once you know how to work with soft synths, it opens up a huge world of sound.
Sorry for being so long winded, but I hope that helps you get pointed in the right direction.

post edited by RobertB - 2011/07/19 00:48:48

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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/21 20:35:10 (permalink)
I've had to wait a while to get back to working with Sonar.  Tomorrow, I hope to have some extended time to try it again.  I am running: 
 
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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/21 21:33:56 (permalink)
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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/22 01:01:19 (permalink)
Sure. It's just very far away

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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/23 18:51:30 (permalink)
Engraver... did you come back?
I think RobertB has the solution to the playback problem (see a couple posts ago).
You may also want to try recording an audio track to play at the same time to find out if you hear anything, but otherwise, yeah, MIDI by itself makes no sound, it has to be directed to a synth of some sort.

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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/31 19:02:38 (permalink)
Thanks for all of the help.  I am doing okay with recording MIDI now.  Sound is perfect and recording is pretty simple.  I am trying Tutorial 3 now but again am having sound problems.  I have set up everything as directed but am getting no sound.  I can hear the metronome coming from the speakers of my keyboard but nothing is showing up on the recording meters and no sound.  I think that something needs to be patched in to create the sound but I don't know how to proceed.  The Input and Outputs are set to my Tascam interface.  I hope that the picture that I am going to attach will be clear enough to see.  I haven't used online photo storage before and this is just a screen shot so I hope it turns out well.
  I guess my "large font" before in a post didn't really look so large after all!  I probably had zoomed the screen to a larger size!  I really appreciate all of the help.  I thought that I would never understand this!
 
 
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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/31 19:05:51 (permalink)
I am going to try the picture again.  It didn't post for some reason.  This is the url if it doesn't show up this time.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1d910b3127ccefdeb981edd9100000030O00EZMmrhw2Yswe3nww/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
 
 
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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/07/31 23:31:01 (permalink)
Do you have the audio outputs of the keyboard connected to the audio inputs of the UA?

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Re:Sound from computer speakers 2011/08/01 20:31:04 (permalink)
Yes.  I think all of my hardware is set up right.  I had sound when recording and playing back MIDI.
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