Soma Jones
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V Vocal Tweak
I don't know if anyone else will dig this but I found it to be one of my all time favorite Sonar tips; a way to make V Vocal's "Pitch Follow" to default to 0:
1) First, make a backup copy of the file C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Dxi\Vvocal\Skin\VVocal.INI
2) Then edit the original VVocal.INI file, using your favorite text editor. (The file is nicely formatted, but the lines can be a bit long).
3) Starting at line 130 you'll see a section "Display 8 ( Formant Control )". There are 3 values (on 2 lines) that need to be changed. (I changed them all from 100 to 0):
a) Ctrl181 3rd value (Value if you double click in the "PITCH FOLLOW" graphic dial center)
b) Ctrl181 17th value (Initial value for the graphic dial)
c) Ctrl183 17th value (The critical Initial value; this will be displayed in the box below the dial)
Use at your own risk ... but works great for me.
I imagine similar tweaks could be made for some of the other V-Vocal settings, but I didn't test them.
- Tom
I don't know who Tom was/is and if he's still around but, a big thank you to him for making V Vocal useful to me.
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/19 01:47:03
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I've hardly ever used V-Vocal so please give a hint:
What is the effect of this change in practice?
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/19 05:08:48
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I'm pretty sure this will be of use to those people who use V-Vocals auto-correct feature.
I'm an advocate of NEVER allowing V/V to auto-correct and favour manual correction 100% of the time.
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/19 15:39:37
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Soma Jones
I don't know who Tom was/is and if he's still around but, a big thank you to him for making V Vocal useful to me.
That'd be me. Glad you found that tip useful. - Tom
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/19 17:08:12
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I found this extremely useful as I do a ton of pop where the clients want everything "perfect" @#$ PITA#$%,
When doing crap loads of tuning, it's one less button to have to set "where it should be" as default.
Does anyone know how to adjust any of the other parameters like "NOTE" , "VIBRATO", "SENSE" , and "waveform preview to off".
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/19 19:26:27
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One of the secrets to making V-vocal useable is turning the "pitch follow" to 0 (12:00). It helps to prevent flangy artifacts from happening. I don't know why CW keeps defaulting this setting to 100%, but changing this setting usually works quite well.
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/20 12:13:15
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Since I use V-Vocal a lot, is there another tweak that could be used to make the VIEW settings change? For example, I always turn off the waveform view and the tool tips view since they seem to be in my way, especially when I'm doing a lot of V-Vocal edits. If I could have these default to OFF, my work would be a lot easier.
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/20 13:01:22
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I agree whole heartedly with digimidi!!!! I can't understand how the default wav preview to on doesn't drive the guys at CW nuts. Try doing a few days worth of tuning.
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revsnd
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/20 13:39:07
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I agree whole heartedly with digimidi!!!! I can't understand how the default wav preview to on doesn't drive the guys at CW nuts. Try doing a few days worth of tuning.
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digimidi
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/20 13:59:59
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revsnd is a very wise person! Now, if any one you experienced computer folks out there can figure it out, you will be honored in the Cakewalk Forum Hall of Fame. Again, I can't express how annoying it is to have to reset these parameters every time I employ V-Vocal. I would settle for Roland/Cakewalk improving the program by just allowing the user to save these initial settings as their own personal preset, etc. Here's hoping that some enterprising Cakewalk forumite can step up to the challenge!
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/20 14:54:37
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AMEN to that!!! Please someone tell us what the settings are to change this default
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/20 15:29:29
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I can't understand how the default wav preview to on doesn't drive the guys at CW nuts. Try doing a few days worth of tuning. If I had to do that much tuning... I'd use Melodyne.  The ease with which you can rein-in pitch would easily justify the cost.
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/20 15:44:00
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is it as easy in terms of integration..ie. key bind-able??
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/20 15:58:25
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is it as easy in terms of integration..ie. key bind-able??
No key-bindings (3rd party app/plugin) But the speed/ease with which you can adjust intonation is the best I've seen. Typically, I just want to tighten up the intonation (not try to make it perfect). Works just like percentage quantization of MIDI... Select the syllables you want to adjust (rein-in)... now set the percentage you want the pitch center (and drift) moved towards perfect. Done. For more complex correction, you can adjust each syllable individually.
post edited by Jim Roseberry - 2011/07/20 16:00:58
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/20 16:37:12
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I can't understand how the default wav preview to on doesn't drive the guys at CW nuts. Different strokes...defaulting to off would drive me nuts. I always want the waveform showing! All my edits are manual, and I never edit non-pitched elements, so it's essential that I see where each word or phrase begins and ends.
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/20 18:12:48
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bitflipper
I can't understand how the default wav preview to on doesn't drive the guys at CW nuts.
Different strokes...defaulting to off would drive me nuts. I always want the waveform showing! All my edits are manual, and I never edit non-pitched elements, so it's essential that I see where each word or phrase begins and ends.
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/21 03:41:02
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@ Jim Roseberry:
Jim, I have looked at Melodyne, which I hear to be a superior product, but from what everyone on the forum notes is that it does NOT integrate with Sonar very well. I would like to use Melodyne Editor's DNA feature that I thought could be used to re-order some of my old sample loops, etc.
@ bitflipper:
As you pointed out, bit, everyone does V-Vocal differently I suppose. I like to just see the pitch without the waveform since it seems to clutter the screen for me. Also, I find the tool tips to be annoying as well, although I'm glad that they're there if I did want to use them. I'm thinking, how difficult would it be for Roland/CW to add this feature where the default preference settings could be saved?
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/21 08:43:51
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digimidi
@ Jim Roseberry:
Jim, I have looked at Melodyne, which I hear to be a superior product, but from what everyone on the forum notes is that it does NOT integrate with Sonar very well. I would like to use Melodyne Editor's DNA feature that I thought could be used to re-order some of my old sample loops, etc.
Hi digi, I'm not Jim of course, but I've had no problems with Melodyne and Sonar. I use the big version of Melodyne Studio and have it in my Sonar tools menu. When I hi-lite a track that needs Melodyne, I just click on it in the menu and Sonar exports a temporary wave file right into Melodyne for me. I then save the wave I've edited and import it into Sonar and it's done. Now, there is a Melodyne plugin that is also installed on my machine that shows up in Sonar. I have never gotten it to work to even see what it is or how it performs. When I click on it, nothing happens...so that may be what people are talking about. But I have no problems using the method I use which is quick and effective. Best of luck. -Danny
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/21 10:40:47
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how difficult would it be for Roland/CW to add this feature where the default preference settings could be saved? V-Vocal could be the starting point from which to launch a truly great product. There is so much more that could be done with it. But it seems to be abandonware. We can only speculate as to why CW has not pursued developing it further.
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/21 14:38:22
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V-Vocal could be the starting point from which to launch a truly great product. There is so much more that could be done with it. But it seems to be abandonware. We can only speculate as to why CW has not pursued developing it further. I agree. I'd be happy if they just took the existing engine & functionality and "X1-ized" the interface to make it more user friendly. Of course, I do like X1 so that would be a positive for me. 
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/21 19:57:12
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Danny, that is encouraging and I would love to do it that way. I was basing my thoughtrs on what others have said particularly the Melodyne Editor version which I want since it has the DNA feature. Ever since it came out, I've wanted it, but numerous posts on the Sonar forum said it was not ready for prime time.
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/22 00:33:03
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bitflipper
I can't understand how the default wav preview to on doesn't drive the guys at CW nuts.
Different strokes...defaulting to off would drive me nuts. I always want the waveform showing! All my edits are manual, and I never edit non-pitched elements, so it's essential that I see where each word or phrase begins and ends.
Hey bitflipper, I need some education. What do you mean when you say "I never edit non-pitched elements"?? It's a term I'm not familiar with. TNX
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/22 01:39:54
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he probably means elements that don't really have a pitch, at least not a noticeable pitch/note if you will-
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/22 04:38:18
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Things like lip/breath/mouth noises don't have recognisable pitches.
V-Vocal will attempt to put these in the grid and are usually marked by long, vertical lines stretching a couple of octaves above or below the recognised pitches.
Also, if you're using it to tighten up the pitch/timing of guitar lines, V-V will not handle harmonics very well, especially pinch harmonics.
Yet another reason why V-Vocal will work a lot better on CLEAN tracks
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Re:V Vocal Tweak
2011/07/22 04:49:32
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digimidi
Danny, that is encouraging and I would love to do it that way. I was basing my thoughtrs on what others have said particularly the Melodyne Editor version which I want since it has the DNA feature. Ever since it came out, I've wanted it, but numerous posts on the Sonar forum said it was not ready for prime time.
Melodyne Editor is pretty usable in Sonar at the current version (1.2), that's not to say it's rock solid, it's not but I still prefer it to VVocal. To me it's much quicker and easier to edit in ME than VVocal. Dan
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