Pro channel completely grayed out....

I'm opening an album project, and one of the songs that had prochannel on all of my drum tracks were all grayed out completely.  These were all in use and live the last mix I made.  I can't even turn them back on. They are just grayed out.  I'm not going to be using pro channel anymore.  It has not been consitent at all!  Not to mention, now when you freeze your syths (to save RAM/CPU) the pro channel/EQ freezes too.  And you can't re-enable it when you actually start mixing.  Previously you could re-enable the Sonitus EQ on already frozen synth tracks.  Pro channel has screwed everything up!  Tech support only gave me the advice of re-installing Sonar.  I hate when they say that. 
 
Anyone know any tricks to un-graying out the pro-channel?
 
 

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2271888&high=ProChannel%2cfreezing Here is a link in depth.

Bouncing is the key. If you go to the link I provided above it is better explained as far as the drawbacks and advantages. If I were going to use the freeze option I would probably edit everything on that track except the EQ. I would not even enable PC on the original track. You could use PC up to the point of freezing or bouncing. Just remember to shut off PC before you freeze. Freeze the original track then open a new track and drag the frozen audio track to the new track. Now you can use PC in that track to use PC to do the final Comp, EQ, Sat features. That is kind of convoluted to me but if you insist on using PC, that is about the only way I can think. Again, if you use bounce to track you just delete the original track. Beware, though, You will acquire a lot of audio files in the songs folder. At least twice as many.

I started thinking that my last post may have sounded anti-PC. On the contrary, ProChannel is the main reason I wanted X1. As convoluted as it is to bounce instead of freeze, ProChannel is worth all the trouble. I have a friend who uses UAD plugs and we did a listening test and ProChannel held it's own on everything we pushed thru it. Maybe the bakers will have the freeze feature fixed so it doesn't kill PC when you do freeze. One can only hope. Til then, bounce seems to be the workaround.

I don't see what the problem is with PC being frozen along with a track.

It seems logical to freeze the PC along with the track, otherwise you could end up 'Double Processing' with the PC
as others have previously pointed out.

I have a feeling that if the PC did not freeze along with the track, there would be a number of people making a song
and dance about that.

The way I work, I may have a tinker with the PC on synth tracks, but typically turn the PC OFF before freezing.
And once I have the rendered audio, I copy to another track for mixing where I use the PC - which is an entirely different
part of the process.


I think Cake is probably in a no win situation with this PC freezing issue, because some people don't like it, and others do.


To me, freezing the PC when you freeze a track makes perfect sense, and I'd be dissappointed if it were the other way.
But that's just my opinion (I believe with sound reasoning), and i know that others will disagree.

I like the PC and now use it quite a lot.
I hope that they make it possible to enter parameters from the keyboard so you can dial in exact frequencies etc.

Cheers - Cliff

My point exactly Sid.

Freezing pc along with the track might be of benefit to a few users, but to have pc completely disabled after you UNfreeze seems like a complete waste of everyone's time.

Why can't I go back and adjust the EQ afterwards?

Sidroe


You are correct that PC is frozen in the audio track. I think a lot of people are put off by the fact that when you unfreeze a track possibly because you decided you didn't like what it sounds like, PC does not unfreeze.

Oh boy Sid,

now you're scaring me !  Thanks for that valuable snipet of info.

I didn't know that - I have to do some testing as soon as I get back to my DAW.
If that is the case, then that does need fixing.

It may simply be by the nature of my workflow that I haven't come across the PC not Unfreezing as yet.
I'll confirm that for sure, and submit a bug report if that's what I see.

Cheers - Cliff

cliffr

I don't see what the problem is with PC being frozen along with a track.

The problem is the Pro Channel is not part of the FX Bin. Only VST's in the FX Bin should be frozen.

There should be an option in Preferences to include/exclude the Pro Channel when Freezing a track and an option to include/exclude it in the options menu that comes up when you bounce just like '64 bit Engine' 'Bus' 'FX Synth/Automation' etc etc ...

But that would make too much sense now wouldn't it?

BREAKING NEWS! I have not been freezing tracks since I first acquired X1 because of the PC not being functional if you unfreeze the same track. After reading the original post I answered and gave out a link to a discussion on this unfreeze problem. I have gotten so used to bouncing I did not think to check if the unfreeze had been fixed. This morning out of curiousity I tried it and VIOLA! PC is now unfreezing along with the audio. I don't know which version or Quickfixes you may have but somewhere along the way this problem got fixed. Make sure you have X1b and all the Quickfixs. I will be watching this thread to see what develops. And I apologize if any of my posts have been misleading. I just have gotten into some older habits of workflow and X1 has changed some of that so much. Maybe I will even try freezing a little more! LOL!

Sorry. Something happened with my DSL I guess. Forum is acting kinda strange today.