PJCMusic
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V Vocal Flange
Has anybody ever experienced a flange effect added to a vocal line due to creating a v-vocal clip?
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revsnd
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Re:V Vocal Flange
2011/07/19 14:58:45
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All the time!!! What a royal PITA:( There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to it either. I find if i get a raspy singer i can run into problems as well. The algorithm to detect pitch will pick an octave above the actual pitch, making V Vocal unusable on those notes.
I sure wish they would dedicate some resources to this. As i've said before, the software has huge potential, that I would pay extra $$$ for an update for. Things like the flanging, and the above mentioned detection, and a bit more cusomization in the interface (having certain parameters you deem important as a default when opening V Vocal.
Here's to dreaming:)
Cheers
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Re:V Vocal Flange
2011/07/19 15:05:16
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We all get this and the usual answer is the sample clip isn't clean in some way. Well all mine are all the time and I still get it. However, I have found if you highlight the clip before adding v-vocal and top and tail it with a simple eq applied to the clip, and then apply v-vocal, it seems to clean out all the harmonics sending it into orbit.
I used a steep high pass at 100hz and a steep low pass around 6k to get rid of the high harmonics. I know this dulls the sss's but you wont notice it for one word in a song.
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jrmunday
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Re:V Vocal Flange
2011/07/19 15:05:31
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We all get this and the usual answer is the sample clip isn't clean in some way. Well all mine are all the time and I still get it. However, I have found if you highlight the clip before adding v-vocal and top and tail it with a simple eq applied to the clip, and then apply v-vocal, it seems to clean out all the harmonics sending it into orbit.
I used a steep high pass at 100hz and a steep low pass around 6k to get rid of the high harmonics. I know this dulls the sss's but you wont notice it for one word in a song.
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TimV
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Re:V Vocal Flange
2011/07/19 18:24:13
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Earlier today I was working with V Vocal. After I bounced-to-clip, I noticed the track showing the clip muted, which puzzled me, so I unmuted it. When I played it back I got a sound that I would definitely describe as flanging. What I hadn't realized is that bouncing to clip creates a new layer, and it was the original clip that had been muted. When I unmuted it both clips played together.
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Re:V Vocal Flange
2011/07/19 19:28:47
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One of the secrets to making V-vocal useable is turning the "pitch follow" to 0 (12:00). It helps to prevent flangy artifacts from happening. I don't know why CW keeps defaulting this setting to 100%, but changing this setting usually works quite well. Read the post about "V-vocal tweak" for more information.
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Re:V Vocal Flange
2011/07/20 00:30:04
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TimV
Earlier today I was working with V Vocal. After I bounced-to-clip, I noticed the track showing the clip muted, which puzzled me, so I unmuted it. When I played it back I got a sound that I would definitely describe as flanging. What I hadn't realized is that bouncing to clip creates a new layer, and it was the original clip that had been muted. When I unmuted it both clips played together.
Right - The original unprocessed clip is still in the track, only muted. That's a good deal, so if you don't like the V-Vocal bounce, you can delete it. But the muted clip often shows up on top of the processed one. Bitflipper posted awhile back about something he does, which I also do - I collapse the muted clip so it's tiny and not taking up visual space - but it's still there if needed. And I'm glad posted the bit about turning off the "pitch follow" control to avoid that bad flanging effect we've all heard. That does fix things, BUT, then the formants can be screwed up, so you need to go into the formant window of V-Vocal and adjust things. Add a bit of formant control for a pitch you shifted down, subtract a bit for a pitch you shifted up. Randy B.
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JazzSinger
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Re:V Vocal Flange
2011/07/20 03:28:21
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Same thing happens in Melodyne.
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benjaminfrog
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Re:V Vocal Flange
2011/07/20 06:44:12
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Auto-tune does not suffer from this problem - at least not anywhere near as much as V-Vocal or Melodyne. I use Auto-tune in graphical mode. Editing can take a little while, but in my experience the results contain way fewer artifacts.
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