Multiple Cue Mixes for Bands

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2011/07/26 16:21:16 (permalink)

Multiple Cue Mixes for Bands

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As the title suggests, I'm needing some ideas in respect of Multiple Cue Mixes for several band members. What I'm looking for, is a way to tailor each recipients cue mix to suit their preferences, even if this means 4 different cue mixes. I'm sure many of you have done this by various means - successfully.

What I am able to do, is make my required cue/submixes in RME's Total-Mix and route them to my RME MultifaceII's stereo paired outputs. However, my issue is how to get those individual mixes from my RME MultifaceII's outputs to band members' headphones.

My Samson S-Phone 4 channel headphone amp cannot achieve this due to having just 1 set of stereo inputs, thus, only accommodating one stereo mix, making my Total-Mix submixes useless. Although the Samson S-Phone has 4 channels (each with 3 headphone ouputs), the only independent tweakability I have in differentiating them is pan and volume (globally). Each channel has a "more me" aux but this would only enable a listener to have more of one channel with its volume and pan being controlled in Total-Mix.

Do any of you folks get on okay getting adequate cue mixes to different performers using something like a Samson S-Phone or something similar? Do let me know, please.

What I was considering was a Furman HDS-6 (in place of the Samson) along with several HR-6 personal monitoring mixers (with 2 headphone outputs). What the deal here is, that 4 individual tracks say Vocals, Guitar, Bass and Drums can be routed from an audio interface's outputs to the HDS-6's 4 inputs. These 4 tracks are then routed to several daisy-chained HR-6's (8 max) which are connected using 2 ethernet cables. The performer can alter their own submix to their taste.

What are folks' opinions on the above two set ups? Am I perhaps taking the cue mix monitoring flexibility thing too far with the Furman setup? Should I tell people to make do with the "more me" flexibilty the Samson has?


Stewart
post edited by zippsinc - 2011/07/26 16:22:23

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    Re:Multiple Cue Mixes for Bands 2011/07/26 16:30:22 (permalink)
    I use the equal of RME Total Mix with my MOTU's Cue Mix and then I use a Mackie headphone mixer (unfortunately discontinued) to augment the flexibility.

    It has a 6 in 6 out matrix so it flexible and works ok for a very small setup.

    Look for something that has more ins and outs and just double up if you need more. Also I try to do it all mono unless there is some real need for stereo.

    I also have some headphone 1x6 amps to help out when it's convenient.

    best regards,
    mike


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    Re:Multiple Cue Mixes for Bands 2011/07/26 19:37:20 (permalink)
    Thanks Mike

    I appreciate your reply.

    I'm aware of your afore-mentioned discontinued Mackie mixer from my research earlier today. Your suggestion of more inputs and outputs is bang on what the solution would be for me.

    I think I'll persevere with the Samson S-Phone for now, experimenting with various "more me" uses. I figured that I could use the "more me" aux to bring something in the mix up in volume but not necessarily the particular performer's part who is being fed that particular channel. Some people playing X instrument sometimes like to hear more of Y instrument. I'll just need to wing it and be inventive on the fly. Good idea about the mono by the way Mike. 

    I can also use the general mix to find a common ground for folks. This may work, along with a bit of personalised panning. I'll try this and if I feel I'm short changing the flexibility and get constructive feedback to that effect, then I'll consider other alternatives.


    Cheers Mike

    Stewart

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