Which Step Sequencer Should I Use?

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2011/07/27 00:34:50 (permalink)

Which Step Sequencer Should I Use?

Hello,

As I am sitting here messing about with Drumazon, I am sitting here wondering, i can use either the step sequencer inside DRUMAZON which is pretty neat because it emulates a Roland 909, however, is there any benefit to using Sonar's Step Sequencer instead and just use Drumazon's sounds mapped out to different keys and let Cakewalk's Step Sequencer do the work?   

The one advantage I can think of is- what if I want to use a different drum synth later on.   I won't be able to easily drag the notes, correct?  Or is there a way and Im not seeing it.

Any thoughts on this?   or did i answer my own question?
Thank you all,
Adam

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    rbowser
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    Re:Which Step Sequencer Should I Use? 2011/07/27 00:45:27 (permalink)
    Adam, you could consider not using any step sequencer, but the heart of MIDI production --The Piano Roll View.  No limitations - Views of any drum map available, and of course the MIDI track you would be working on could be used with any drum module under the sun. 

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    Re:Which Step Sequencer Should I Use? 2011/07/27 00:59:38 (permalink)
    You can switch back and forth between the step sequencer and piano roll view, and even preserve things like timing offsets when you switch between the two. This is something I really got into when doing the Step Sequencer chapter in my Sonar X1 Advanced Workshop video.
     
    To me, the Step Sequencer is "training wheels" to get thoughts down fast, but at some point it always ends up as piano roll data.
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    Re:Which Step Sequencer Should I Use? 2011/07/27 01:45:18 (permalink)
    Oh yes I definitely agree with you.  PRV is the best.  However my question is....  what is the benefit of using an internal step sequencer in a softsynth.   On some of them it is crucial to the sound because on each step you can control certain synth parameters which you cannot in PRV or Cakewalk's Step Sequencer.... but then things like Drumazon.....   is there any benefit to it?   

    There must be a reason that Drum software companies are still including their own internal sequencers, right?  They know that all DAWs have their own PRVs.   

    Just wondering,
    Thanks,
    Adam
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    Re:Which Step Sequencer Should I Use? 2011/07/27 03:59:33 (permalink)
    For synths I'm thinking arpeggiators built in, if better than Sonars own?

    Otherwise no reason that I can see if host is having step sequencer(and that is what you want).

    I would avoid internal stuff in plugins unless a good reason. Plugins with sequencer need to pick tempo from host all the time and I'm suspicious how well that works.
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    Re:Which Step Sequencer Should I Use? 2011/07/27 15:05:21 (permalink)
    There must be a reason that Drum software companies are still including their own internal sequencers, right?



    If the drum synth has a standalone mode, it would make sense for it to have a built-in sequencer. Or if, as you mentioned, there are sound control parameters not exposed to a host sequencer somehow. I'm mildly curious what those parameters might be in Drumazon. Most synths give control over everything from the host by MIDI CCs.

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    Re:Which Step Sequencer Should I Use? 2011/07/27 20:25:29 (permalink)
    I've used Drumazon (though not for quite a while), but never bothered with it's internal sequencer - too much messing about saving patterns etc. Sure, Drumazon emulates how the hardware worked, but I'd rather work with Sonar's SS or PRV where I can see every note in a pattern, adjust notes to the millesecond if I want to, and all the related CC parameters are there at a glance.

    By the way - the SS has a few irritating bugs to do with what happens to MIDI CCs if you unlink clips or convert a MIDI clip to SS, but it has one useful trick - each note can be set with a probability of whether if gets played or not which makes putting a little (albeit more or less unpredictable) variety into patterns easier.

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    Re:Which Step Sequencer Should I Use? 2011/07/27 22:14:57 (permalink)
    Well maybe for Drumazon it is best to use the Cakewalk Step Sequencer, BUT I do have some synths like the Arp2600 Emulator which come with alot of preset arp. patterns.  Not that I would use them at all, but sometimes I use them as a starting point and make some alterations, BUT these arp patterns have some great parameters tweaked for each note in the 16 steps (attack, pitch, detune, FM, noise, etc...)....   However, yes I am sure with MIDI CC's you can use ACT and a midi controller to control them for  each note as well using the Cakewalk SS or PRV, BUT it's already all setup and a bit easier to program them in the synth itself, you know?    

    Thanks!
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    Re:Which Step Sequencer Should I Use? 2011/07/28 17:41:26 (permalink)
    I agree, sometimes the sequencers/arps built into synths are more useful and easier to program. I use the arps and sequencers in my hardware synths all the time and I'm in the queue for a Doepfer Dark Energy once they catch up with demand.

    I just happen to find it easier to program complex drum sequences in Sonar than in my hardware - partly to automate parameters the hardware can't and partly because I don't have to keep a long list of which pattern is which and where it goes in the song. I find it easier to lay the patterns out graphically and chain them in order graphically with everything visible at a glance.

    Soanr is also more flexible than a 16-step drum sequencer if I want to use things like triplets. Though having said that, sometimes using an 808/909 style sequencer can be creatively interesting in itself. It's nice to have the choice of which tool to use. 

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