Is there a Cakewalk Beta program?

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2011/07/28 08:26:20 (permalink)

Is there a Cakewalk Beta program?

Hi. I'm wondering if there's a Cakewalk Beta program. I ask because they REALLY need it. I just upgraded from 8.5 PE to X1 PE. Aside from the bloated +3GB install files that go away in the background for up to 5 minutes making you think it crashed, X1 is horrendously unstable. Perhaps the problems are just with my setup after I upgraded my sound card between Sonar versions. But every project I load complains about the missing sound card. Wouldn't it be better to number your sound cards and reference them that way instead of depending on a name, if that's the problem here? So X1 crashes about that and if I try to open my channel plugins and sometimes if I save my project or open one. I'm afraid to change the color of the background and make it crash too. So, after being sorry to have upgraded to X1, does anyone know how to participate in future releases Betas? JR
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    John T
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 08:41:42 (permalink)
    So you're using it with a previously untested soundcard, and the error messages are telling you there's a problem with the soundcard.

    I'm no Colombo, but I think you may have soundcard issues. It's just a hunch.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 09:04:06 (permalink)
    So, after being sorry to have upgraded to X1, does anyone know how to participate in future releases Betas? JR
    It is a private betatester program.   You have to apply to the program using their web form.  Then they check the forum to see if you are a problem solver or a complainer and make a decision whether to invite you to join the betatester group or not.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 09:22:52 (permalink)
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    So you're using it with a previously untested soundcard, and the error messages are telling you there's a problem with the soundcard.

    I'm no Colombo, but I think you may have soundcard issues. It's just a hunch.




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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 09:36:56 (permalink)
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 09:59:36 (permalink)
    X1 has some issues... but it's not nearly that unstable/flakey here.
    I'd check the audio interface and basic machine to be sure those are rock-solid.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 10:41:45 (permalink)
    John, what makes you think it's an "untested" sound card and what exactly does that mean anyway?

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 10:49:42 (permalink)
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    John, what makes you think it's an "untested" sound card and what exactly does that mean anyway?

    He said that in between using 8.5 and X1, he changed his soundcard.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 15:16:45 (permalink)
    Yeah but that's meaningless, I changed my sound card when I bought my new DAW I went from Yamaha DSP & SW1000xg combo to an Emu 0404.
    Does that make them untested? I'm sure there was a list somewhere of recommended sound cards to be used with sonar but as long as they have good drivers and are fit for purpose I don't see how they can be untested.

    When I open old projects from my old set up sonar gives me a warning to say that tracks are now unassigned and would I like to reassign them to my new hardware, so I say yes and job done. I'm thinking maybe that's what JRouqe  was referring to.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 15:21:50 (permalink)
    It doesn't matter if you have a $100 or $10,000 interface. If it's brand new to your particular setup it's untested. I would never switch from a MOTU 828MKIII to a E-MU 1212 the day before a session or gig without exhaustive testing. That's just professional suicide.
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 15:28:33 (permalink)
    we're not all professionals and my set up isn't that particular.
    What tests exactly do you carry out? I like to think my hardware has been tested before I buy it.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 15:34:57 (permalink)
    Nothing is tested until you buy it and try it out on your particular setup and configuration. There's multitudes of motherboards and hardware/software variations out there. I use the interface and software heavily for a few hours or even days before I'm confident it'll work on a gig.
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 15:45:22 (permalink)
    That's true if you build your own but I don't think it's quite as true as it used to be.
    I bought my DAWs from bespoke DAW makers so have never needed to test any of them.

    Anyway, the op has said nothing as to what his system is so it's all conjecture right now.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 15:48:47 (permalink)
    I just mean untested by him. As I say in my first post - he has a soundcard that he's seemingly never had working, and error report that says the soundcard isn't working.

    Now maybe I'm not proactive enough or something, but that combination of factors would give me pause before I set off for Cakewalk HQ with a pitchfork.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 15:50:44 (permalink)
    Plus, you know, I was just trying to introduce a bit of levity.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 17:27:12 (permalink)
    Hi and thanks for the Beta program link. I have 7 of these on my computer since the upgrade last night: https://lh6.googleusercon...D3W4/s800/X1-crash.JPG Not all crashes create a dump file so there have been more crashes than that. My sound card is fine. The point was that Cakewalk should handle sound ports differently, perhaps using a reference. There could be already a way of doing that and I just don't know it. Another thing is that reinstalling Dimension Pro (so far) apparently causes a loss of reference to the plug-in. My 8.5 projects seem hardwired to the old DP reference so even when DP is available, X1 is looking for the old DP reference. JR
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 17:33:20 (permalink)
    Officially it's us.
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 18:10:16 (permalink)
    Of course SONAR will complain when you switch audio devices on old projects. It needs to know where to route your previous tracks. I wouldn't say your soundcard is just fine yet. I'm with John T on this. For your DP issue, it's been known for a while: http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013164
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 18:34:29 (permalink)
    Hi and thanks for the link. Let me restate my sound card reference. I incorrectly said "upgrade" when I should have said "switched" sound cards. The old Delta 1010 is no longer there and the "new" one, which had been in Sonar 8.5 for 3 years and used for external routing was made primary. So no issues with my sound card. In light of the annoying pop-ups, I may have to put the Delta 1010 back in. Sonar complains about the missing sound card as it should. Understood and agreed. Next, I'm going to propose a product feature. This is not in the product now, as far as I know. Ready? How about if there's a soft reference outside of each project so sound port #1 is just that across all projects. You can then take your project to another box or change your sound cards and sound port #1 will be mapped to whatever is defined globally as port #1. Is there a way to do that now? JR
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/28 19:18:44 (permalink)
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    Hi and thanks for the link. Let me restate my sound card reference. I incorrectly said "upgrade" when I should have said "switched" sound cards. The old Delta 1010 is no longer there and the "new" one, which had been in Sonar 8.5 for 3 years and used for external routing was made primary. So no issues with my sound card. In light of the annoying pop-ups, I may have to put the Delta 1010 back in. Sonar complains about the missing sound card as it should. Understood and agreed. Next, I'm going to propose a product feature. This is not in the product now, as far as I know. Ready? How about if there's a soft reference outside of each project so sound port #1 is just that across all projects. You can then take your project to another box or change your sound cards and sound port #1 will be mapped to whatever is defined globally as port #1. Is there a way to do that now? JR

    I don't think it can be that simple as every different sound card has different drivers/latency etc that have to be mapped to all the interfaces and compensated for to manage things like delay compenstation.  I think we would be ticked off if the software just assumed that we wanted to  make the change or worse yet  forgot to turn on the sound card and all the outputs got set to none and we had to go in and reset all the default outputs.   I think this is one of those messages to protect us from ourselves and that is usually a good thing.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/29 00:54:37 (permalink)
    I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned already. Have you tried deleting your AUD.ini file from your system? It's a text config file in your Sonar directory in your "Cakewalk User Data" directory. You can find a shortcut link for that in your installation directory (probably C:->Program Files->Cakewalk).

    As I understand it if AUD.ini isn't present Sonar rebuilds it and that should remove all the references to any old soundcard(s), therefore no reason for Sonar to complain. Gotta be worth a go.
     
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/29 06:25:32 (permalink)
    Ok FBB, I think you're on to something. I've been using Cakewalk since their V1 for DOS but had totally forgotten about aud.ini. I am now being prompted with a "Reassign missing audio output devices" dialog. I can clearly see the original driver and the suggested mapping to the new one. That is fantastic and I had never seen Sonar do that before. To top things off, I see an option at the bottom of the audio setup screen which I had ignored before. The manual says "Use Friendly Names to Represent Audio Drivers. If you enable this check box, the Input and Output menus in audio tracks and buses will use whatever friendly names you’ve created for your Input and Output drivers. Friendly driver names are global, not per-project. ". That sounds pretty much what I was suggesting above. Haven't had time to fully test it but I suspect the global "friendly" name of audio ports will be carried forward on newly created projects. If I change my sound card again, all I have to do is name the new driver whatever friendly name I gave it now. Thanks much for your help!!
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/29 06:43:59 (permalink)
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/29 11:35:24 (permalink)
    Jonbouy
    bitman Officially it's us.
    I was expecting a lot more of these types of gags, how about:
     
    1. Log in here: http://www.store.cakewalk.com/b2cgbp/category.aspx?categoryID=9
    2. Part with money
    3. ?????
    4. Beta tester!
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/29 16:49:20 (permalink)
    I was expecting a lot more of these types of gags, how about:
     
    1. Log in here: http://www.store.cakewalk.com/b2cgbp/category.aspx?categoryID=9
    2. Part with money
    3. ?????
    4. Beta tester!
    Now that's funny (and true)!
     
    Bashing aside, 8.5 was pretty good so naturally the next version with new features will be crappy. I just wasn't expecting it to be this bad. I mean, not even the "open one project at a time" feature works so someone had to go in there and break that since it was working before.
     
    Here's hoping that, as in past disasters, Greg H will temporarily hand the reins to someone else and take a dive in the code to fix it himself.
     
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/29 17:11:04 (permalink)
    I'm typing this in Firefox right now.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/29 17:13:07 (permalink)
    One project at a time working fine here too.

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/29 17:56:50 (permalink)
    I meant Unofficially.

    I'm such a spaz. Where is the face palm emoticon.
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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/07/30 12:04:03 (permalink)
    bitman,

    Now that you're the spaz what will I do around here?

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    Re:Is there a Cakewalk Beta program? 2011/09/01 13:19:58 (permalink)
    Hi. I figured I'd circle back here and update my case. Ever since applying the X1c fix, I haven't been able to make it crash and settings changes I make actually take and don't go back to default. My lost Z3ta synth showed up after being lost for a while. So, in summary, the X1c update has completely cured all of my previous problems... I think I can feel my hair growing back out even! JR
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