Multiple Outputs for MIDI Track?

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sethmopod
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2011/08/02 11:21:35 (permalink)

Multiple Outputs for MIDI Track?

Is it possible to have multiple outputs for a MIDI track?
 
For example, can I send a single MIDI track to 2 different soft synths at once for special multi-timbral effects?  Can I send a single MIDI track to two different hardware synths and use my hardware to manually change sounds as I choose?
 
In an audio track you can do this with aux sends, but I don't see that option with the MIDI tracks.
 
One workaround seems that I could clone the track and link it to the original and then assign the new track a different output, but that will take up screen space and control surface faders that I don't really want to deal with.
 
Thanks for your thoughts,
Seth
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    garrigus
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    Re:Multiple Outputs for MIDI Track? 2011/08/02 11:48:26 (permalink)
    Haven't tried it, but you might be able to do it with hardware by creating a drum map.

    You can't do it with software synths though.

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    Re:Multiple Outputs for MIDI Track? 2011/08/02 12:25:34 (permalink)
    Check this out.

    http://forum.cakewalk.com...67&mpage=1#1573767

    Virtual midi ports have moved on some since then too so don't use what is suggested on that page use this instead for both 64 bit and 32 bit flavours of windows, XP thru 7.

    http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/loopMIDI.html

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    post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/08/02 12:34:00

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    sethmopod
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    Re:Multiple Outputs for MIDI Track? 2011/08/02 17:54:16 (permalink)
    Thanks for the tip on the virtual MIDI cable.  I should be able to spend some time tonight trying to work that out.  

    Seth
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    Re:Multiple Outputs for MIDI Track? 2011/08/02 19:20:13 (permalink)
    Take SD3 as an example. You get multiple Midi channels for each drum peice and multiple midi channel outputs for each peice. You get multiple audio outs for each peice of your kit. If you have multiple outputs in your hardware you can direct those audio outputs to different hardware outputs.

    Craig DuBuc
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    Re:Multiple Outputs for MIDI Track? 2011/08/07 13:43:41 (permalink)
    I've installed Loop MIDI as suggested and have had partial success. Scenario as follows:

    I would like to have track "Violin1" trigger the SI-String Section soft synth, TTS-1 soft synth, and my Roland XP80 (via focusrite interface) at the same time and be able to easily switch between them by using mutes.

    Violin1 - input = focusrite; output = LoopMIDI; channel = 1
    SI-String Section - input = LoopMIDI ch 1; output = Master
    Cakewalk TTS-1 - input = LoopMIDI ch1; output = Master
    Track 4 - input = LoopMIDI ch1; output = focusrite MIDI; channel = 1

    Results:
    To start, SI-String section was acting way strange.  I had to delete it and then things worked better.  Maybe a problem with the synth, maybe a problem with LoopMIDI, maybe a problem with me.  Don't know which yet.  For now, I'll ignore it.

    TTS-1 worked mostly as expected.  Played back the recorded violin1 track.  Mutes worked.  Input echo has to be enabled, though.  Sometimes stopping playback left a stuck note.  Sometimes it didn't.  Sometimes a note hit the articulation and immediately cut off - this didn't happen to the same notes consistently on different playbacks though.

    Track 4 (used to trigger Roland keyboard) didn't work so well.  If input echo was enabled, or if Track 4 was selected, the Roland would trigger.  Mute did not mute either way.  If the selection left Track 4 or if input echo was turned off in mid-playback, I was left with a stuck note.  If mute was not enabled, the volume fader worked as expected.  If mute was engaged, the volume fader had no effect and the track played back at full volume.

    Thoughts?

    Seth
    post edited by sethmopod - 2011/08/07 13:44:53
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    Paul Russell
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    Re:Multiple Outputs for MIDI Track? 2011/08/07 13:53:25 (permalink)
    Reverse your thinking.

    In Kontakt 4, Omnisphere, RMX, Alchemy, Play and many other synths/samplers you can assign different samples to the same midi channel, and to either the same or different outputs. 


    post edited by Paul Russell - 2011/08/07 13:55:38

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    Re:Multiple Outputs for MIDI Track? 2011/08/07 13:54:00 (permalink)
    Heed the warnings in B-Rocks post very carefully about creating a midi feedback loop.  If you have any of the inputs set as 'OMNI' for example you will have a midi loop right there and wacky behaviour is certain.

    Make sure your Port and Channel assignments are very specific.

    Once you get the routing idea down it's very flexible.  More flexible the triggering two or more sets of samples with the same midi.
    post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/08/07 13:57:25

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