X1c - So forget about colors in this version at least?

God dam I'm stunned...

Please say I'm wrong.  No seriously.. PLEASE!

Bub - you shouldn't go shirtless in this forum - that's probably against the TOS...

Beagle


Bub - you shouldn't go shirtless in this forum - that's probably against the TOS...

 
I'd be more concerned about his horn.
 
 

I'm a bit disappointed too about nothing regarding customization in X1c.

Nothing with tools and colors as I read it.

I thought there were enough buzz on these issues to make it happend soon.

Now the big question is - how far are plans on X2?

Anyway I hope Cake is getting a real break and a successful X1.

I think customizable colors are too difficult to bring it to X1. Because many colors and bitmaps are baked into the software. Certainly, many needs to be rebuilt, and they will bring back customizable colors in X2. I hope ...! I think that a parallel team is working on X2.

I don't understand that at all.  The interface sucks to me.  Not even folder indents? When your project gets heavy its a nightmare trying to pick things out from the TView.  Only a token text color?  yuck!

Loads of peeps where screaming about this.

Things should improve.  Not degenerate.  Love CW forever but X1?  Maybe its a juggernaut but the front grill is covered in turkey feathers for me...

:<

lfm

Mystic38


I will pick function over form anyday... bug free, stable, usable come way higher up my list than color scheme..
if there is an X2 come out in september, when many user have had very few months of stable x1 operation it will be viewed as a joke to me.

 
 
lfm


I'm a bit disappointed too about nothing regarding customization in X1c.

Nothing with tools and colors as I read it.

I thought there were enough buzz on these issues to make it happend soon.

Now the big question is - how far are plans on X2?

Anyway I hope Cake is getting a real break and a successful X1.

There is something called Sonar Plus which as I understand it gives some functionality not in Sonar X1, but in Sonar 8.x.

This functionality is included among tools and colors as I put it.

And I read about some people having issues when using Sonar Plus so that makes it kind of not interersting. To jeapardize stability in Sonar using 3rd party stuff is a no-no.

Since they save customization abilities now in X1c, it gives hope that maybe X2 is sooner than expected. I would normally not expect X2 this year - but this time next year. Maybe that is why c-patch were delayed - X2 is under parallel development at the same time.

But if needing choose one thing only - it would be stability above everything else. Then stability, and then stability, and then possibly functionality. Nothing in the process of making recordings are more frustrating than when technical issues are stopping you.

You've got things a bit tangled...

Sonar Plus (by benstat) brings back the missing buttons along with a few extras (the most important to many has been the dual snap it arranges which supposedly won't be needed in X1c for the snap)... It works in X1 only and is very convenient...

http://www.sonarplus.co.uk/Pages/Default.aspx

Panup has his Sonar Mods which change the colors we can't change.... but they are fixed....

http://www.sonarmods.com/

...but along comes another benstat program.... Sonar Skinner which allows you to edit most of the Sonar objects (art) and change not only the colors, but the graphics themselves (as does Panup's Sonar Mods)....

I myself use all of this... Sonar Plus to give me back the buttons I miss, Sonar Mod to change the color scheme, and Sonar Skinner to adjust the color scheme I've chosen even further....

So I think maybe Cakewalk realized that with these items available, color control wasn't as important (immediately)....?

Here's Panup's forum whcih has a Sonar Plus forum as well...

http://sonarmods.com/sonarmods/forum/index.php

Keni

If you think switching to ProTools will give you more customization you're delusional. It's even more 'standardized' than X1. I guess the grass is always greener though.

So... use sonarmods... ??? Really, if it is that important to you why haven't you just gone with Panup's mod program... I don't get it.

Julien

+1 also if you think Avid will respond to customer complaints better than cakewalk does...

 
I thought of a lighthearted thread about waiting for Z3TA+ 2b   but then I thought better of it. I might step on someones sore toe and they might not "get" the joke, laff.
 
Julien

Beagle


Julien - I agree sonarmods are an option, but they invalidate Cakewalk tech support.  tech support will not help cake users with issues if sonarmods are installed on your system.  you have to remove them with a fresh install of sonar in order to get back into compliance with cake's support.

All one has to do is be sure to keep a copy of the original TTSRES90.dll and if needed just over write the one used by the mod. That is the only modification done to X1. That dll is changed by the Sonar mods. Nothing else.

You don't have to reinstall X1 or do anything weird to get X1 back to factory fresh condition.  Sonar Plus does nothing to the X1 program. Its a stand alone application.

The objections to using these are baseless.

John

Beagle


Julien - I agree sonarmods are an option, but they invalidate Cakewalk tech support.  tech support will not help cake users with issues if sonarmods are installed on your system.  you have to remove them with a fresh install of sonar in order to get back into compliance with cake's support.

All one has to do is be sure to keep a copy of the original TTSRES90.dll and if needed just over write the one used by the mod. That is the only modification done to X1. That dll is changed by the Sonar mods. Nothing else.

You don't have to reinstall X1 or do anything weird to get X1 back to factory fresh condition.  Sonar Plus does nothing to the X1 program. Its a stand alone application.

The objections to using these are baseless.

I don't object to using it.  I was stating what I believed to be true from speaking with tech support.  if you have a different experience that's fine, but the "objection" is not "baseless."

John


I don't think CW objects to their use either. But you do have a point about tech support not wanting to deal with them. My point was really only that a reinstall is not necessary.

 
point taken then.

Beagle


Julien - I agree sonarmods are an option, but they invalidate Cakewalk tech support.  tech support will not help cake users with issues if sonarmods are installed on your system.  you have to remove them with a fresh install of sonar in order to get back into compliance with cake's support.

As I understand it, you simply need to revert to the original dll's (a copy of which gets modified by Panup's Mods) and test the problem issue. Panup makes no other changes and benstat makes none with Sonar Plus... Sonar Skinner allows anyone to simply edit/skin X1 and create/save/blend skins.... So the same applies to Skinner as does Panup's mods (which I then edit a bit more to get my comfort settings)...

If I replace the dll with the original Sonar dll, I have not changed anything in the program...

Keni

mario

BEATZM1D10T


If you think switching to ProTools will give you more customization you're delusional. It's even more 'standardized' than X1. I guess the grass is always greener though.

1) I may be wrong but I do read a lot of music related magazine and Pro Tools appears to be more
    used across the board....thus the reason for me to investigate switching to it instead of "forking"
    more money into Sonar.
 
2) If you are not happy about something it's up to you to decide if you want to take action or not to
    make people understand you are not happy....particularly when a refund is not an option.
 
    The way I see it at the moment is either I bite the bullet like everybody else, I keep X1 and revert
    back to S8.5 until there done with their upgrades to make it a real product, I get a refund and go
    back to S8.5 or switch to another DAW.
 
    My point is that complaining about something doesn't do "s......t" unless you hit where it hurts;
    The $$$.
 
3) what makes me go "rrrrr" is the marketing video making a big fuss about focusing on the GUI instead
    on new functionality; sorry but the GUI is not completed. It is change and their is a learning curve to get
    used to it when you've been working their previous GUIs for years, but it is not completed.
 
M

1) ProTools is used more across the board because they 'got there first' and had deep pockets to entrench themselves in the higher education market. Like SONAR's fast bounce? Not going to have it in ProTools. Like SONAR's MIDI functionality? Not going to have it in ProTools. Like the ability to use hardware you choose and still get support? Not going to have it in ProTools. Want free tech support via phone? Not going to have it with ProTools.
 
I use SONAR, Logic, and ProTools because I need to have that flexibilty. They all have their pros and cons but, if you are seriously considering jumping ship because you can't edit colors in the GUI like in 8.5 you will be sorely dissapointed going to ProTools. IMHO.
 
2) Software is very rarely if ever returnable. Its not just Cakewalk. If SONAR made me as unhappy as it makes some of the people on here I would simply not post anymore. It's a complete waste of energy. Threatening the company on a public user forum is silly and ultimately hurts your bottom line as much as the companies. That ultimately short circuits innovation.
 
3) The GUI is pretty darn complete in my eyes. Yeah, okay, I can see some tweaks here or there but, I have the same complaints about ProTools and Logic. Yes there is a learning curve to anything new. I've been using Cakewalk products since Pro Audio 9 and it took me maybe a week tops to get a handle on it. It also helps that I use SONAR about 8 hours a day though.
 
It's not Cakewalk's fault if someone is not open to change.