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Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
Hi, is there a Sonar X1 equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
I was watching a Groove 3 video on mixing electronic music and they were using Bitcrusher to clip unwanted transients with no effect on the audio.
The body and decay of the sound did not move in volume it just clipped the top off the unwanted transient with one control.
I've looked at Tube leveller and Transient Shaper but these seem quite different in what they do as in not clipping and more hassle to set up correctly.
Would I be as well using a Limiter?
Is there a 3rd party plug you can recommend?
Cheers
Steve.
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/03 18:42:23
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You have two main options. The Sonitus Compressor has a limiter box you can check. There's also Boost 11, which is probably closer to what you're describing.
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/04 09:57:23
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steve@psbnoe.wanadoo
Hi, is there a Sonar X1 equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
I was watching a Groove 3 video on mixing electronic music and they were using Bitcrusher to clip unwanted transients with no effect on the audio.
The body and decay of the sound did not move in volume it just clipped the top off the unwanted transient with one control.
I've looked at Tube leveller and Transient Shaper but these seem quite different in what they do as in not clipping and more hassle to set up correctly.
Would I be as well using a Limiter?
Is there a 3rd party plug you can recommend?
Cheers
Steve.
This is how I do it....  Boost 11 is no good IMO it adds too much colour to the sound, have mine setup as above then adjust the threshold to remove the peaks. BTW for anyones thats interested you can get free s(M)exoscope plugin here http://bram.smartelectronix.com/plugins.php?id=4
post edited by Rasure - 2011/08/04 10:01:52
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steve@psbnoe.wanadoo
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/04 11:13:03
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Thanks for this mate.
Do you get any problems with the release and attack being so low on kick and bass?
I just discovered Smexoscope when watching this video, it really is great to see whats going on with compression settings etc, and a god send in the console view.
I have T-racks3 clipper which I'm just testing now, It works by boosting the input though and then I have to bring down the gain.
It would be much quicker to just control the amount of clipping with one control as in bitcrusher, I'll give your way a go.
Cheers
Steve.
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/04 23:24:09
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/05 00:19:26
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FWIW, Bitcrusher is downsampling/bit reduction plug-in. I haven't see the tutorial, but from what you say, this sounds like a plain limiter.
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/05 11:36:08
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There seems to be some confusion between a bitcrusher and a limiter. I've never heard of a bitcrusher being used for limiting (it shaves the bits off the little end, not the big end). AFAIK "bitcrusher" means the same thing in Logic as it does in other DAWs. Steve, I'd watch that video again - maybe they were throwing out a confusion of multiple concepts in quick succession.
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/05 11:51:48
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That is Bitcrusher. As you see, it's aimed at something totally different.  Since all you want is to limit peaks w/o altering/boosting the rest of the signal, I don't think you'd need to look into all the fancy options - pretty much any limiter would do the job, including the one built into the Sonitus comp or even Boost 11. The minute you want to start increasing the overall level and further mess w/ the dynamic range, then, of course, you might want to look into other options.
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/05 13:17:34
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Thanks guys, my mistake.
He was using Bitcrusher to chop off the peaks by just using the clip level control.
He later explained that a limiter will do just the same, but he liked Bitcrusher because he just has to use one control and not redo the output setting.
I've never put a limiter on all my tracks before, and have just done this on one of my mixes, just taking out the spikes and made an extra 4db of head room!
At the same listening levels there's no difference between before and after, only now I can get my track even louder at the mastering stage.
Cheers
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/05 13:36:09
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The "bit-crushing" effect in SONAR is called Alias Factor. It bit-decimates and can lower sampling rate (aliasing). I love it, but be careful - it bites.  It might also be worth noting that this kind of effect can be found in some of the synths - like Rapture.
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/05 13:57:54
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Alias Factor!
I love it. It is honestly my favorite bitcrusher/decimator that I have ever used. :D It's resonant filter is pretty great, too.
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/05 15:34:34
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Rain
That is Bitcrusher. As you see, it's aimed at something totally different.
Oh, I see - it has a "dumb-clipper" mode. Yowch. I can just imagine what that must sound like. But then, most lo-fi effects sound like fingernails on a chalkboard to me anyway. ...he liked Bitcrusher because he just has to use one control and not redo the output setting. I'm not sure I'd be taking limiting advice from this guy! Then again, I'm old enough to remember what fingernails on a chalkboard actually sound like. Or actually know what a chalkboard is, for that matter.
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Re:Sonar equivalent to Logics Bitcrusher.
2011/08/06 00:24:18
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