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Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
Ive finally taken the leap to use a stereo bus for my reverb instead of patching it individually, I hear it saves on CPU tasking and clutter! I have attached a screenshot link(sorry cant seem to be able to embed the picture). http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/stereobusreverbexample.png/ I would like if people could verify if this method is correct, I insert new stereo bus, patch a reverb plugin into that new stereo bus, then insert send to that reverb stereo bus in the desired track. Now what I would like to ask is should the output of the track now be assigned to this new stereo reverb track and not the master? And also how come by signal now has become louder?? even though the track reverb send level is at zero and my reverb setting are stock (no volume increase)? Cian
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/03 18:14:02
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It seems like you set up your bus well. The output of that bus can be sent to your master. Think of it as the "wet". Usually when you use a reverb bus you set the reverb's internal "mix" to full wet. Now you can create sends from any tracks and each can share the same reverb. This Saves CPU cycles while helping blend you mix into a whole. Mean while you send the tracks' main outputs to your Master or sub buses and think of them as your "dry". Most people probably mix and match with some bus effects and some track effects... so after you get familiar with buses you'll probably realize that they have benefits which can be enjoyed but you probably want to use some track effects as well when that is actually more convenient. Good Luck!!! Have Fun! best regards, mike
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/03 18:52:04
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It looks to me as if you are sending the track output to the reverb in ADDITION to the Send to the Reverb Bus. That could explain the difference in volume. Set the track output from the 2 vocals to the Master bus and the Output from the Reverb bus to the Master bus as well. Then with the fader on the Reverb you can adjust the amount of reverb you want mixed in. I would probably also suggest adding another Vocal bus as you may need to slightly lower the Dry vocal signal after adding some of the wet reverb signal. Also with this set up make sure the Sonitus reverb is set to all wet.
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/03 20:33:25
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Pretty much right on with the advice above. Let's just review. Create a new bus. Route its output to MASTER. Insert reverb into this bus FX. Looks like this is what you have done so far. Now, in order to give your project some consistency in mix, create a send in each track you want to go to the reverb and route the send there (many songs have everything go to the reverb and they control how wet that track gets by adjusting the send volume in each of the tracks). Your send can either be PRE or POST and this basically will turn on if the reverb will be sent before or after your track channel settings (any FX or Processing, that is EQ/COMP, etc) included the fader. If the send level is too high in a track, this too can add too much volume to the combined sound of the track and the reverb, thus making it seem louder. I like to set the overall volume of a BUS track pretty high and control how loud each instrument gets processed by the send volume in that instrument's track. There are some cool things you can do with BUSSes but yes, this is much more CPU effective that loading a reverb in every track that you want reverb. Also, you could create 2 reverb buses to accomodate two different feels... maybe a tight room sound for vocals and instruments and then a large room reverb for toms (just an example on how to use this). Again, you can then send any of your tracks to one or both of these reverb busses. Hope this helps, Jim
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/04 00:04:13
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At the bottom of the Sonitus Reverb UI there are three horizontal sliders labeled "Dry", "E.R." and "Reverb". Slide the first one, labeled "Dry" all the way to the left.
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/04 05:44:13
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Ok, so am I right in saying this Your dry track will be outputted to your master bus, however you will be ALSO sending this dry signal to the reverb stereo bus (wet), which in turn is then also outputted to your master. Is this not two separate signals going to the master bus (obviously make it louder). bitflipper why are you eliminating the "dry"slider?is that common procedure? Cian
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/04 05:51:34
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This indeed is standard practice. Because your reverb is set to 100% wet, you won't be sending any of the dry signal to the master bus via the send. You blend the amount of reverb to be added by using the send control on the track.
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/04 05:56:37
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Getting rid of the dry signal on a bus effect gets rid of the doubling problem. Dry is on the original track, effect is on the bus. This has all sorts of interesting applications, once you start to get to grips with it. For example, you can now EQ your dry signal and your wet signal differently. This can be really useful if you want quite a prominent and noticeable reverb sound, but don't want to end up with loads of muddy low end build up; you just put a high pass EQ on the reverb bus to clean it up. Both a high pass and a low pass cutting off the low and high end can be really good for delays that vocals are being sent to, too. There's all sorts really.
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/04 09:20:33
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whack Ok, so am I right in saying this Your dry track will be outputted to your master bus, however you will be ALSO sending this dry signal to the reverb stereo bus (wet), which in turn is then also outputted to your master. Is this not two separate signals going to the master bus (obviously make it louder). bitflipper why are you eliminating the "dry"slider?is that common procedure? Cian - The 'dry' vocal is sent to the Master via the track fader. (as normal)
- Use 'send' on the track to send the vocal to the bus with the reverb on it.
- Turn off the 'dry' output in the reverb plug.
- Send the output of the reverb bus to Master. Use the fader on reverb bus to adjust the overall level of ALL the reverb.
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/04 09:28:00
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/04 09:50:25
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/04 09:54:21
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Re:Simple Stereo Bus Reverb Question
2011/08/04 11:37:13
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