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Re:Kontakt 5 - Seems like no BIGGIE
2011/08/07 21:16:25
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A1MixMan
NI has been screwing up (and down) alot lately. Anyone who owns Kore 2 surely knows that by now, as NI has discontinued it and is replacing it with Maschine, kind of. They don't care at all about their customers and are losing alot of them to this decision. I have been a HUGE supporter of NI in the past but I don't see myself buying from them again anytime soon.
I have also been a supporter of NI for a long time,but like so many previously loyal customers,I am scratching my head over some of their recent "business" decisions and have lost almost all my enthusiasm for the company and their products... The only products I couldn't really live without are the B4II Organ and Kontakt 4.2.3 but I am trying to make ARIA the replacement for K4 :) Unfortunately the encrypted NI files will only play on their software and the AK piano is excellent... It's a good thing that I had all of the Scarbee products except the Clav before he moved over to NI... I agree with the people who said "Why should we have to load up Guitar Rig just to use a compressor?" That's really dumb and extremely inefficient...... After all - the're all just another compressor - nothing special - well - apart from those super slick GUI's  NI are locking everything down and trying to force people into accepting their "vision" of "the future of sound" and I'm not so sure that so many of us are 'feeling the love" anymore...
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Re:Kontakt 5 - Seems like no BIGGIE
2011/08/07 22:21:10
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A1MixMan
NI has been screwing up (and down) alot lately. Anyone who owns Kore 2 surely knows that by now, as NI has discontinued it and is replacing it with Maschine, kind of. They don't care at all about their customers and are losing alot of them to this decision. I have been a HUGE supporter of NI in the past but I don't see myself buying from them again anytime soon.
One could say the same about some other companies too (CW?) with respect to not caring about customers (at least some of the long time users). But I'm curious how you know they are losing customers and to what degree? Where would one even be able to get that info?
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Re:Kontakt 5 - Seems like no BIGGIE
2011/08/07 22:25:38
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Rain
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Time to refocus on stability and useability...
I guess that developers don't see that as a big $$ incentive.
I'd hesitate to use the words NI and focus in the same sentence. I can't see anything that could lead me to believe that they have any sort of long term vision besides profit.
Case in point - their newly announced SSL emulation, which, like their compressor, will require Guitar Rig (or the free Player) but, incidentally, are also included w/ their new Studio Drummer. Now why would you NEED Guitar Rig to run these? It's like they're just throwing out stuff and attaching it w/o much thought to one of their 3 remaining bigger shell products.
I don't know. If I want to load an EQ, having to first load a shell then the plug-in I want doesn't make much sense. I already have a host.
I think you're right about usability and stability obviously not being an income generator (or so they think). I actually felt NI came a LONG way in the last few years as a truly productive, creative music plugin vendor. But, I guess the recession (if that's really to blame here) as hit every aspect of every market to some extent. I also see NI falling down a bit, as do others, and starting to dole out cutsie stuff instead of innovative stuff. However, they still do have a lot of solid/good plugins, so I think I'll give them a little leeway for awhile longer.
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Re:Kontakt 5 - Seems like no BIGGIE
2011/08/08 01:53:56
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On a side note ... owners of Guitar Rig 4 have to download a 340MB update just to be able to even load the new Compressor package they are offering.
Update: I finally got to the GR4 Update download section. It's been running since 2:30ish (It's 5:40 now) ... I'm only at 18% of a 340MB download. Doh! Talk about slow. :(
12:50am ... 95%.  Just got an "Admin error" at 98% ... "Could not complete download. Contact system administrator." CRASH. Gotta start all over. **** this.
post edited by Bub - 2011/08/08 01:55:30
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Re:Kontakt 5 - Seems like no BIGGIE
2011/08/08 10:37:28
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Taken as a whole, NI seems to be trying to become the Microsoft of music production software, with Komplete being their version of Office. The all-in-one productivity solution for large corporate users. NI is following the typical growth and maturity curve of late 20th century tech firms. Meanwhile smaller, more nimble companies generate the innovations that keep the science of music software moving forward. They just don't make enough money to get a good line of credit at a bank. Next, I guess, the big guys (Roland, NI, ProTools, etc.) will start buying out and stomping out the small firms and incorporating their ideas in their own products and giving them away in their flagship products. Computer audio software and plug-ins are still really new in the grand scheme of things. Most of the small firms won't be around in another 20 years or so, if history repeats. I'm just sayin.....
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Re:Kontakt 5 - Seems like no BIGGIE
2011/08/08 11:28:54
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Bub
Bub
Bub
On a side note ... owners of Guitar Rig 4 have to download a 340MB update just to be able to even load the new Compressor package they are offering.
Update: I finally got to the GR4 Update download section. It's been running since 2:30ish (It's 5:40 now) ... I'm only at 18% of a 340MB download. Doh! Talk about slow. :(
12:50am ... 95%.
Just got an "Admin error" at 98% ... "Could not complete download. Contact system administrator." CRASH.
Gotta start all over.
**** this.
Do yourself a favor and get a download manager for large files: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download_manager
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Re:Kontakt 5 - Seems like no BIGGIE
2011/08/08 11:31:32
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I just crossgraded into Kontakt 4 during NI's summer sale as I was waiting for a good deal to jump in......I'm very impressed with the quality of K4, but it's a bit of a downer to see where NI's heading.
I was excited on buying more sounds for my Kontakt 4.2.3 library and making it my go to plug, but seeing what Bitflip said that version 4.2.2 sounds won't play in K 4.2.3 worries me?? Am I understanding this correctly? Do the sounds from 3rd party vendors need to be the exact version of Kontakt you have on your PC for them to work? (I of course assumed that any sound made for K4 would work?).
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Re:Kontakt 5 - Seems like no BIGGIE
2011/08/08 13:46:38
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I just crossgraded into Kontakt 4 during NI's summer sale as I was waiting for a good deal to jump in......I'm very impressed with the quality of K4, but it's a bit of a downer to see where NI's heading.
I was excited on buying more sounds for my Kontakt 4.2.3 library and making it my go to plug, but seeing what Bitflip said that version 4.2.2 sounds won't play in K 4.2.3 worries me?? Am I understanding this correctly? Do the sounds from 3rd party vendors need to be the exact version of Kontakt you have on your PC for them to work? (I of course assumed that any sound made for K4 would work?).
Older stuff will generally work in the latest versions, but not the other way around. When you load a older third party library you will be prompted to re-save it to speed up load times, this converts it to the latest format and its no longer compatable with the older versions of Kontakt, but it will load a lot faster.
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Re:Kontakt 5 - Seems like no BIGGIE
2011/08/08 15:15:29
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Whew!!....that makes sense.
Thanks Glyn...
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Re:Kontakt 5 - Seems like no BIGGIE
2011/08/08 17:08:12
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Do the sounds from 3rd party vendors need to be the exact version of Kontakt you have on your PC for them to work? Sorry for misleading you. Yes, older libraries have always (so far!) been compatible with newer versions of Kontakt. The problem is that most newer libraries require recent versions to run. That would be understandable if it was because the developer wanted to use some new Kontakt feature, but often the version requirement is for no other reason than the developer happened to use the most recent version of Kontakt to create the library. Imagine the uproar if the latest version of MS Office could only create files readable by the latest version of Office. Or if DVD authoring software could only create videos playable on machines purchased within the last 6 months.
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