Tom F
Max Output Level: -48 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2749
- Joined: 2007/07/08 05:56:12
- Location: Vienna (the one in Europe)
- Status: offline
my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
after almost four years now i think i am done with it - finally.
sonar ist the most unispiring and workflow killing sequencer i have ever worked with (and i have worked with almost every avaliable except from ableton and prootools)
why?
because its miditiming is quirky (and i have tried "everything" with different interfaces and computers and soundcards)
because its fails on syncing plugins when a section is looped... greta to see the stepsequencer runing out of timing after the SECOND loop
because audiosnap is a JOKE - it even fails at processing the simplest possible audio (like fo example a single "kick only" track in order to properly allign the timimg of an arrangement
i have wasted my time in learning this app - i have spent hours and hours in troubleshooting the "usual" bugs - and some very "special" ones like for instance the really annoying and embarrassing problem with the dimpro64 install etc...
and i am a guy who reds manuals and who TRIES to get along with programs...
probably sonar is pretty cool if you use it only as an classical multitracker - but as soon as you wanna make some modern electronic stuff it just fails - its also one of the most "screen space wasting apps" with 2 24" monitors i still have the feeling that i just get lost in chaos...
why am i postig this? to get rid of my frustration that i got from the unproductive day i spent with sonar 8.5.3
i guess its all perfect now wit x1 - isnt it ??? ;-)
but they wont get any dollar out of my pocket again
bought reaper and got two macs with logic - still logic has its own damn bugs but at least its much more fluid in use
good bye
...trying to be polite... quick temper...trying to be...
|
batsbrew
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10037
- Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
- Location: SL,UT
- Status: offline
Re:my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
2011/08/08 16:49:10
(permalink)
MAN, WORKS GREAT FOR ME......
I'M ON 6PE, ON WIN XP!!
NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.
maybe it's karma or something.....?
|
Slugbaby
Max Output Level: -33.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4172
- Joined: 2004/10/01 13:57:37
- Location: Toronto, Canada
- Status: offline
Re:my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
2011/08/08 17:04:39
(permalink)
Works fine for me! Auf Wiedersehen.
|
Bub 
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
2011/08/08 17:12:45
(permalink)
I'm working on a project I started a couple months ago in X1.
I added Dim Pro to it to lay down some nice organ sounds last night ... went to quantize and ka-blooey, and I can repeatedly make it go ka-blooey on command in X1 and 8.5.3. So I sent an email with the cwp, dump, and a video to tech support. Hopefully I'll hear back some day.
So, I feel your pain. But it's a shame you're giving up now after investing so much time, but I do completely understand your frustration.
Good luck.
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
webbs hill studio
Max Output Level: -76 dBFS
- Total Posts : 742
- Joined: 2006/02/01 02:04:12
- Location: Buninyong,Australia
- Status: offline
Re:my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
2011/08/08 20:20:59
(permalink)
probably sonar is pretty cool if you use it only as an classical multitracker exactly-8.5.3 is perfect for live recording-and 90% of my stuff is mixed and "mastered" in the box. in 15 years i`ve never used or recorded a midi track so i can only empathise with you on those problems. "i have worked with almost every avaliable except from ableton and prootools" why reaper and logic-why not try ProTools-there is a reason it`s the no1 selling software and may well suit your purposes-i found it clumsy and didn`t suit my workflow. ps:am surprised you are having alignment and timing problems when you are manufacturing music with virtual instruments-best way to align a wayward kick is to get a professional drummer. for me X1 is a backwards step-it`s all horses for courses but don`t dismiss a platform just because it doesn`t fulfill your personal requirements. let us know down the track how you went cheers
|
BluesMeister
Max Output Level: -79 dBFS
- Total Posts : 581
- Joined: 2003/11/07 19:45:25
- Location: Downunderland
- Status: offline
Re:my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
2011/08/09 22:05:08
(permalink)
Bub & Webbs Hill, I record guitar with EZDrummer, electric piano and NuBiLE organ, all of which require MIDI tracks but I've never had any problems. Now, when it comes to looping, I don't do that, although I recall with S5 there was a known looping bugette that was subsequently fixed with a patch. If I need to run through a section I tend to Play>Stop>Rewind rather than loop. But, I'll give it a go when I get the opportunity.
Maybe the secret is to avoid quantising, I always manually input MIDI notes (tedious to the max, I know, but it doesn't bother me). For keys I almost always snap to grid. It may be DimPro that's failing to play nice rather than Sonar that's at fault, I don't use DP so I can't categorically state that's the case.
BluesMeister 5 guitars, 1 amplifier, 3 pedals Asus P8P67LE, i7 3.4GHz, 16GB DDR3 RAM, 1TB HDD
Win7 Home Premium 64-Bit SP-1
Sonar 8.5.3 64-Bit, RME HDSPe AIO
Spendor BC-1 Studio Monitors
|
samson7842
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 287
- Joined: 2005/05/07 14:32:31
- Status: offline
Re:my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
2011/08/09 23:34:43
(permalink)
I use Sonar 8.5.3 exclusively. I have no outside synths except Maschine. Everything I create has noting but VST's and vocals. I've used audio snap with great success. But, I was just changing the tempo on a few of songs for some remixes.
The only real problems I have are when I over tax my system. My songs are usually around 100 tracks. The only VST I have that won't loop is Melodyne. And believe me, I loop sections for a couple of hours at a time while I create parts or write lyrics.
I'm just guessing. But, could it be your set up?
I'm use a Dell XPS 400 2.8 GHz 2GB RAM
EMU 0404 PCI card
XP Pro 3
That's it.
Lateef Murdock Gear:Dell XPS 8700 i7-4770 3.9 GHz 24 GB Dual Channel DDR3 160MHZ 4DIMMs Windows 10 64bit Cakewalk (CxB) Sonar Platinum Studio One 4 Komplete 9 Ultimate Maschine 2.7 MK3 Edirol PCR 500 Roland A-300 Pro Steinberg Virtual Guitarist 2 Virtual Guitarist Silk Virtual Guitarist Amber Virtual Guitarist Iron Steinberg UR22 Waves Gold Melodyne 4 Studio Various other fiddly bits
|
SWANG
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 191
- Joined: 2008/08/26 18:07:57
- Status: offline
Re:my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
2011/08/09 23:38:26
(permalink)
samson7842
The only real problems I have are when I over tax my system.
freezing helps with that. have you tried it?
|
samson7842
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 287
- Joined: 2005/05/07 14:32:31
- Status: offline
Re:my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
2011/08/09 23:44:39
(permalink)
SWANG
samson7842
The only real problems I have are when I over tax my system.
freezing helps with that. have you tried it?
Yeah, I do that. If I didn't, I would not get the track count I get. To do what I'm doing, I really need a more powerfull system. I do tons of doubling and tripling vocals with a but load of effects. I've started doing submixes wich helps quite a bit.
Lateef Murdock Gear:Dell XPS 8700 i7-4770 3.9 GHz 24 GB Dual Channel DDR3 160MHZ 4DIMMs Windows 10 64bit Cakewalk (CxB) Sonar Platinum Studio One 4 Komplete 9 Ultimate Maschine 2.7 MK3 Edirol PCR 500 Roland A-300 Pro Steinberg Virtual Guitarist 2 Virtual Guitarist Silk Virtual Guitarist Amber Virtual Guitarist Iron Steinberg UR22 Waves Gold Melodyne 4 Studio Various other fiddly bits
|
Bub
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
2011/08/09 23:50:52
(permalink)
@ Bluesmeister: Thankfully the quantizing thing is simple to get around. It was a simple full chord backing track that I just wanted to tighten up real quick. Normally I do manually fix timing errors on lead parts, but not all, other wise things get too mechanical sounding for my taste. But geez, quantizing causing a hard fault like that? That's midi 101 stuff. I mean, if you can't reliably quantize a simple track ...
@samson7842: That EMU 0404 PCI is a sweet card isn't it, especially for the price? :) I have one but it's not playing nice with Windows 7 x64 on my DAW. I wish I could go back to it. Especially now that I'm starting to better understand how to get around latency problems via monitoring through the audio card rather than Input Echo. IIRC, that has distortion for guitar, reverb, chorus, delay etc etc ... all built in at 0 latency. Best DAW I ever used was an Intel P4/Intel Mobo running an EMU 0404 PCI on XP Pro SP3. I can count on 1 hand the amount of crashes I had.
As for the looping, I do that all the time when recording guitar parts. I've never had a single problem with looping in X1, 8.5.3, or 8.0.
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
SWANG
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 191
- Joined: 2008/08/26 18:07:57
- Status: offline
Re:my last final rant about what is lame about sonar
2011/08/09 23:51:07
(permalink)
samson7842
SWANG
samson7842
The only real problems I have are when I over tax my system.
freezing helps with that. have you tried it?
Yeah, I do that. If I didn't, I would not get the track count I get. To do what I'm doing, I really need a more powerfull system. I do tons of doubling and tripling vocals with a but load of effects. I've started doing submixes wich helps quite a bit.
cool! i love to hear details on other people's methods. i gain tons of insight just browsing this forum. thanks for sharing! 
post edited by SWANG - 2011/08/09 23:52:11
|