Grid follows main snap settings

Hello,

the grid in piano roll follows the main grid line settings and not the settings set in the piano roll view.  Is there a way to fix this? I like to disable snap setting and re-enable them frequently and it is really annoying to have to reset all of my grid settings each time I do this.

Thanks!

  ... I haven't gotten to that yet... If that's true, it's bad.... but luckily, I can switch benstat's Sonar Plus snap-switching (auto) between TV and PRV... and not be bothered once again... (most of the time)... I'm sure they'll get it sorted out in due time and for the now...? benstat's Sonar Plus to the rescue! Keni

Here's another: When i turn down the midi volume slider on one midi instrument it does nothing, when I turn it down on another it turns off the midi being played back. Holy crap....I've run into so many bugs in a single hour.

Rodab


Here's another: When i turn down the midi volume slider on one midi instrument it does nothing, when I turn it down on another it turns off the midi being played back. Holy crap....I've run into so many bugs in a single hour.

If you are using an simple instrument track keep in mind you have two sliders. When you have selected the MIDI tab at the bottom the slider affects the MIDI velocity, and if you have selected the Audio tab next to the MIDI tab the slider affects the output volume.

Keep in mind MIDI velocity is not the same as Audio output volume.

I did not notice any problem with automation, but I will definitely take a closer look at it...

Rodab


Also another issue Ive found is that automation envelopes barely work.. they randomly don't transmit values. Ill have to click the edit filter, automation, and midi and enter the same values 3 or 4 times before the envelope will start working.  After a few times with the same values it will start transmitting correctly...unsure of how to get around that. Pretty ridiculous bug if you ask me.

Just tried this. Not seeing this either, are you sure you set it to transmit on the right channel, the default is channel 1. If that isn't what you want you need to change it.

Was it particular envelopes or all of them? If you are more specific about what didn't work others can help more.

brundlefly

When you have selected the MIDI tab at the bottom the slider affects the MIDI velocity

That's not right. The Volume slider in the MIDI tab (or track header if you split the instrument track) sends MIDI Volume (CC7) messages to the synth that change its audio output level. The "Gain" knob at the top of the Inspector on the MIDI tab is the Velocity Offset control.

I was wrong here, thanks for the correction. In defence I can only say I was not sitting behind my DAW when writing this (yeah - I know, lousy defence, I should have checked before posting)...

Hmmm - going to check out those MIDI envelopes problems you mentioned.

Im starting to think that this is all related to me using midi hardware as it seems to be where Im getting all my issues.  Although the issues are the same for both midi synths I am using.

Perhaps specific kit but not in general. I predominantly use hardware synths, drum machines etc. and occasionally soft synths.

Im just using a midi track that goes out to my hardware instrument, it has worked before just fine.  Turning the volume down on the midi channel stops the midi from playing back.

I'm a little confused what you mean here. If you mean turning the MIDI track volume down reduces the volume so you can't hear your hardware, that is working how it should. If you mean it stops it playing, as in stops the transport that's not normal.

Your notes pasting but not sounding sounds like you either have them pasted to a track that's sending on a channel to nothing or possibly that track has some sort of automation such as volume on it that is stopping it from sounding.

Having said that I'm currently editing a drum track and I've got some MIDI data that I inserted (not pasted) that I can see, albeit in a different colour that isn't sounding. I can't select it because it disappears as soon as I left click and reappears when I release it. I can't see it in the event list view even with all tracks selected. I'm assuming it's some sort of display bug.

I've even closed and re-opened the project and it's still there. It's only 4 or 5 snare hits but it's very bizarre behaviour. I've never seen nothing like it before except when showing multiple tracks in the PRV at once. Only trouble is I'm at the early stages of the project so there's only one MIDI track in the whole project at the moment. Very strange.

FastBikerBoy

Im starting to think that this is all related to me using midi hardware as it seems to be where Im getting all my issues.  Although the issues are the same for both midi synths I am using.

Perhaps specific kit but not in general. I predominantly use hardware synths, drum machines etc. and occasionally soft synths.

Im just using a midi track that goes out to my hardware instrument, it has worked before just fine.  Turning the volume down on the midi channel stops the midi from playing back.

I'm a little confused what you mean here. If you mean turning the MIDI track volume down reduces the volume so you can't hear your hardware, that is working how it should. If you mean it stops it playing, as in stops the transport that's not normal.

Your notes pasting but not sounding sounds like you either have them pasted to a track that's sending on a channel to nothing or possibly that track has some sort of automation such as volume on it that is stopping it from sounding.

Having said that I'm currently editing a drum track and I've got some MIDI data that I inserted (not pasted) that I can see, albeit in a different colour that isn't sounding. I can't select it because it disappears as soon as I left click and reappears when I release it. I can't see it in the event list view even with all tracks selected. I'm assuming it's some sort of display bug.

I've even closed and re-opened the project and it's still there. It's only 4 or 5 snare hits but it's very bizarre behaviour. I've never seen nothing like it before except when showing multiple tracks in the PRV at once. Only trouble is I'm at the early stages of the project so there's only one MIDI track in the whole project at the moment. Very strange.

Sorry, I have a problem being clear and concise it seems heh.  Anyways yes I mean: " turning the MIDI track volume down reduces the volume so you can't hear your hardware."  That's how it usually works, but it is not working like that currently on one of my hardware synths' midi track.


As for the pasting issue, i have automation only to the cutoff knob on my hardware synth and other notes in the same midi track are triggering, just not the three copied notes from another track.  Once I redraw those three notes with the draw tool they begin triggering.  I could possibly be doing the copy paste incorrectly.  All I am doing is cutting on one and pasting on the other using standard ctrl+x, ctrl+v shortcuts.


Your behavior with the snares is pretty wierd too, haven't had that one happen yet.


I also noticed last night that on a drum map I had recorded, that some of the drum hits were showing up, but outside of the area of the clip in the track view....so the clip is like  one measure long and then past that one measure where there is nothing but empty grey space in the track view are some drum hits. Really strange behavior we're experiencing.


All of this is with pretty basic stuff going on. As in only one or two tracks. that are only a few measures in length.

Well my snap following grid works just fine, it just adjust the grids dimensions to draw to whatever is on the main snap settings every time I turn off snap using a keyboard shortcut.

So when i click caps lock to turn off snap, the piano roll grid jumps to whole note size and no longer is set to the size of the piano roll settings (and I don't have the grid set to follow snap settings on either, I have it to 1/16th size in the piano roll).  I can get along with it though.

     "the piano roll grid jumps to whole note size and no longer is set to the size of the piano roll settings"

One workaround is to set your PRV snap setting to follow the main grid, then you only have to change your main grid setting to get the needed PRV resolution. If you use key bindings to control your main grid resolution, you can make your changes lightning fast.

And i guess keep your fingers crossed that there will be a permanant fix before long.

As to the problem with automation envelopes, i get that too occasionally. Sometimes i have to assign the envelope two or three times to the desired parameter before automation starts to work. I think the problem is a little worse w/ hardware synths, but i'm not 100% sure about this.

Regards
Glenn

Here's some news I wasn't thrilled about...

I reported this as a bug and I've been told it's as intended... this is really getting funny as we chase one idea that was made without thinking thru into a fix that again missed the point! Somewhat...

It seems that when you disable either the PRV snap or the Global snap, the PRV grid changes to the Global resolution... What a pain! So evertytime I disable snap, my grid is forced to change! How did they arrive at this wonderful idea?

I'm hoping that they thought ahead and made an ini variable or some such to adjust that behavior? It's half-worthless to me now... <sigh>...

...just as I was starting to think things were ok.

Wrong again!


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BTW... I just switched off the PRV snap and re-enable Ben's snap feature in Sonar Plus... It changes the global snap from a TV setting to a PRV setting, so that if I'm in PRV I can turn snap on/off yet still maintain the PRV's grid setting when off...

So, no problems here... Cakewalk can skip working on this as someone else has already taken care of it (tho it has some limitations)...

Cakewalk - Work on the envelope issues more!

;-)

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Keni

Rodab


Wow, that is wierd, and to me it doesn't exactly make a lot of sense.  Id be ok with it if they made a way for you to draw a note and let you extend the length of the note so that it didn't follow snap settings without disabling the global snap... Otherwise I sorta use the grid to get things lined up and it gets pretty annoying.

Thanks for the report Keni.

Exactly...

The grid is a visual reference as well as defining the places a snap will move to... This current PRV snap is useless to me. I've already abandoned it and returned to using Sonar Plus which simply changes the global snap abck and forth as you go to/from TV/PRV... At least that way, when I'm in PRV and turn snap off, the global is still set at my PRV values...

It was good that they realized the problem of having only a single snap value, but it seems they really didn't think this thru very well... They could have gotten it right with just a little more thought... ;-)

At least I can continue to work using Sonar Plus. I'm glad they didn't make an issue about these add-ons as they are too important to many of us...

I'm guessing that they will add some kind of option to deal with this, but when? Ben's program (Sonar Plus) causes no problems with Sonar and only ads to it... I must say I'm a bit surprised as they were so vocal about the fact that they solved the dual snap issue only to find some glaring issue they chose wrong about.... Yes, I think that this is an important issue... I could see that I may for some reason 'want' to switch to my global value, but certainly not often let alone every time I disable snap...

So while I'm a bit thrown off by it thinking they fixed it, I'm glad they tried and more glad I have Sonar Plus as a better solution...

Keni

The worst part about it, is this is something that pretty much takes away a large portion of what was so nice about seperate snap settings....well at least for me!