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Soft Synths - why do you have to bounce MIDI to track in order to get audio?
I am interested in using soft synths with real time manipulation of parameters including those that are not MIDI controlled/recorded. Typical example is an internal sequencer, turning on and off or manipulating the pattern in real time. My understanding is that this cannot be done in Sonor. Let me know if I am wrong. If so, why is there this limitation? With all due respect, it can be done using one of the other DAWs in my signature. Thanks for any input.
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Re:Soft Synths - why do you have to bounce MIDI to track in order to get audio?
2011/08/18 18:05:22
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Not sure I understand the question, Brian. I listen to real-time audio from soft synths in SONAR projects every day. So maybe the answer is yes, you can do that. Or maybe I just don't understand your objective.
Are you talking about playing a soft synth manually in real-time, as if it were a hardware synth? For that, it's best to break the plugin out of any DAW host and run the synth standalone.
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Re:Soft Synths - why do you have to bounce MIDI to track in order to get audio?
2011/08/18 19:49:27
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I'm interested in what the title of your post has to do with your actual question. The answer to the title is that with a soft synth, you don't "bounce" it--i.e., record it--to an audio track, but you do have to route it there to hear it. It's just the way Sonar is built. With an external--hardware--synth, you DO have to record the output of the synth to a Sonar audio track in order for Sonar to include it when you bounce your final mix down to a stereo file. But that may not be what you're trying to do. Could you give some more details about what you're trying to do.
post edited by Widetrack - 2011/08/18 19:50:59
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Sliderule
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Re:Soft Synths - why do you have to bounce MIDI to track in order to get audio?
2011/08/19 00:59:20
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My apologies for not being clear. I meant that when recording a soft synth in real time, you can only record MIDI and not the audio output, which has to be routed to the Synth Track, which has no recording capability. Once MIDI is recorded, it can then be bounced to tracks to get the recorded audio.
The limitation is that what is bounced is limited to what is controllable with MIDI (notes and CC). However, soft synths have parameters that are not available for control by MIDI. An example would be the some of the ARP (arpeggiator) controls in Omnisphere. I can assign some via CC learn and it will be recorded OK. The ones that cannot be assigned can still be manipulated with the mouse and I can get some cool effects (such as when I activate and deactivate steps in the step sequencer) but there is no way that I am aware of for that to be captured.
My questions are: (1) Is there any way to record the audio generated from a soft synth in real time. (2) If not, why?
I hope that makes it clear. Thanks for your input.
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Re:Soft Synths - why do you have to bounce MIDI to track in order to get audio?
2011/08/19 02:41:37
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There is a workaround to do it by setting up an audible bounce with live input, but it's awkward. For the time being, the Bakers have apparenlty not seen enough demand to make it worth implementing.
Your best bet is to set up a digital loopback path in your MOTU's mixer to send the output back to a virtual input.
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Re:Soft Synths - why do you have to bounce MIDI to track in order to get audio?
2011/08/19 03:57:04
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Can the controls you want to tweak be enabled for Write Automation?
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Re:Soft Synths - why do you have to bounce MIDI to track in order to get audio?
2011/08/19 04:58:03
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Once MIDI is recorded, it can then be bounced to tracks to get the recorded audio. Yes it can - but you don't need to bounce to track. The Midi can drive the soft synth directly, creating audio output via the Audio track.
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Re:Soft Synths - why do you have to bounce MIDI to track in order to get audio?
2011/08/19 12:20:15
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That's how I'd do it, because I'd want to be able to edit the on-the-fly tweaks after the fact. Or to put in changes that would be impractical as a real-time performance, such as moving 4 controls at once.
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Re:Soft Synths - why do you have to bounce MIDI to track in order to get audio?
2011/08/21 23:36:28
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Greetings and thanks for your ideas. The one suggested by brundlefly is what I was looking for. It allows being creative with a soft synth in realtime and recording all the audio you are listening to. Here is a screen shot of my setup with some labeling added. Works good enough for me. My only concern is that this really should be doable in the box by allowing sends to go to audio tracks or allowing recording of the soft synth's synth track (as it is being played). Please consider. 
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