mudgel
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SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
I've noticed that more and more folks are using SSD's for their main OS drive and understand the rationale behind it.
How do you manage with the relatively (by today usual SATA drives) small size as many I see are only 128 GIG or even less?
I have an exclusive DAW which also has Video/graphics etc software as this is my pro rig for Audio, Video & 3D/graphics. In my work, many of these elements come together and I need to access a variety of software to get the job done.
I keep only the OS, programs and things like VST's on this drive and wonder how I would manage with even a 240GIG.
On my current system, any data created by a program is kept on another drive as are my samples and projects whether they be audio, video, web, graphic or any other for that matter.
any comments to enlighten me.
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 09:07:17
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i am anxiously awaiting some brilliant nuggets of advice to this post. let's bring it people.
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 09:40:35
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Well I have a 120Gb SSD for my Windows machine and with a couple of DAWS installed (Sonar, Cubase, Live and Reaper) with numerous plugins in 32 and 64bit versions. I still have about 50Gb spare.
I think the key is to split your load across several drives, keeping the SSD just for the OS and programs. As for me, I have four drives which split my total storage needs:
1) 120Gb Corsair SSD for OS (Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit) + programs
2) A Velociraptor 300Gb drive - this is a 10k RPM drive I use for recording audio - so this is my project drive
3) A 1TB HDD for anything that needs a lot of storage - so I'm talking sample based instruments such as Dimension Pro, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Alchemy, etc. Most of these plugins allow you to choose somewhere else to store your sample content on installation.
4) A 1TB drive I keep just for backup purposes.
That has done me well for a long time. The Velociraptor I have is 300Gb which is fine for me although there are 600Gb versions available now.
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 09:58:33
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I came from a 10k WD Raptor 74GB WinXP, I never had issues with spare space on my system drive over the years.
switched to a 120GB(111GB) OCZ SSD, Win 7x64 and I have to keep myself very organized. At the moment I have around 30GB free space left, not much software installed either.. a 11GB Email-folder,..
if I'd be more serious where to save my files, I'd probably have around 50GB spare (just like auricle)
A 240GB should def. be more than enough for a system drive though, maybe just a bit too much for my taste..
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mudgel
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 10:28:50
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Thanks for your comment auricle but I already said that I split my data needs across multiple drives.
You mention that your Velociraptor drive
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is a 10k RPM drive I use for recording audio
In reality if your OS and SONAR are on your SSD then that is where the audio is recorded. the project data is just read from your Velociraptor into memory, processed by SONAR and your OS and then written back to your Velociraptor when it's saved. It's not really doing much in the meantime. The crunch work is not done on that drive at all but on your SSD which is where you get your performance increase.
Using your 120GIG SSD I'd be short an aweful lot of disk space let alone still have 50GIG to spare. Currently I use a 500GIG drive with about 150GIG free space. If I ruthlessly pared it down to be really lean then I could maybe reduce it by a further 30GIG still leaving me in need of a drive in excess of 240GIG.
As I stated in my original post:
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I keep only the OS, programs and things like VST's on this drive and wonder how I would manage with even a 240GIG.
Perhaps my needs are unusually large by comparison with other users and my only real answer is to get a much bigger SSD drive for my needs.
Even though I know lot's of guys who use the same or similar software set to me for the same typre of work I guess that is probably why even though more people are using SSD's that there are probably far more that don't yet because the cost per Gb is still prohibitivley expensive.
I suppose in realtity it was a silly question of me to ask, as if I use a 500GIG SATA 3 drive now then I'll just have to get a similar size SSD drive. My issue is about speed not space. It's a shame that in Australia that means around about $1000 give or take. Perhaps I'll shop over sees
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John T
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 10:36:46
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My system drive is only 80gb. I guess it depends on your approach, but that actually feels like a lot to me. I regularly uninstall things I find I don't need and keep the who thing fairly lean and mean. Also, as well as getting your audio and video data on another drive, I've got my standard download folders and the like not on the CD drive. Amazing how quickly that sort of junk piles up. In reality if your OS and SONAR are on your SSD then that is where the audio is recorded. the project data is just read from your Velociraptor into memory, processed by SONAR and your OS and then written back to your Velociraptor when it's saved. It's not really doing much in the meantime. The crunch work is not done on that drive at all but on your SSD which is where you get your performance increase.
This is completely wrong. Where have you got this idea?
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 10:50:26
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I have a OCZ Vertex 2 60 Go for my c: and it works like a charm. Sonar x1, samplitude 10 and cubase 6 with loads of plugs. You just have to ban the sound banks from the c: and put them on another drive.
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Alegria
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 12:07:41
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"mudgel"
I have an exclusive DAW which also has Video/graphics etc software as this is my pro rig for Audio, Video & 3D/graphics.
Perhaps my needs are unusually large by comparison with other users and my only real answer is to get a much bigger SSD drive for my needs. Seems to me like you have already answered your question.  I use a 120GB Vertex 3 SSD drive for the OS on a dedicated audio-only DAW. A clean install of W7 Pro x64 is 10GBs. Add another 20GBs for music apps. only..., libraries are on high performance mechanical drives (cost considerations). That leaves quite a bit of wiggle room for growth. I also do not intend to fill up this SSD as it is strongly recommended to always have at least 20 to 30% free space for the SSD to do its thing optimally. Also, with SSDs, the following guidelines may be obvious to some and not so obvious to others. Simple Dont's with SSDs: 1] Don't full format an SSD. You should always use quick format only. 2] Don't run too many Benchmarks. 3] Don't fill your SSD beyond 80 percent capacity of the available flash space. 4] Don't defrag your SSD. Do I need to enable TRIM on my SSD? No. TRIM is automatically enabled in Windows 7, but to verify that TRIM is either enabled/disabled, follow these steps. TRIM is not currently available with MAC OS. 1] Type "cmd" in the start menu search box 2] Right click the cmd program and select run as Administrator 3] Type the following in the command line (omit quotation marks) "fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify" 4] TRIM is Enabled when DisableDeleteNotify = 0 5] TRIM is Disabled when DisableDeleteNotify = 1 ref: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx
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Freddie H
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 12:32:50
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SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
+1
ONE, INTEL SSD (C:/ Windows 7 and Programs) *flying
And 5 normal SAMSUNG F3 1TB SATA 300 drives for AUDIO, SAMPLING etc..
4 Drives are in FAKE RAID 1 disks..
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Freddie H
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 12:46:57
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Alegria
"mudgel"
I have an exclusive DAW which also has Video/graphics etc software as this is my pro rig for Audio, Video & 3D/graphics.
Perhaps my needs are unusually large by comparison with other users and my only real answer is to get a much bigger SSD drive for my needs.
Seems to me like you have already answered your question.
I use a 120GB Vertex 3 SSD drive for the OS on a dedicated audio-only DAW. A clean install of W7 Pro x64 is 10GBs. Add another 20GBs for music apps. only..., libraries are on high performance mechanical drives (cost considerations). That leaves quite a bit of wiggle room for growth. I also do not intend to fill up this SSD as it is strongly recommended to always have at least 20 to 30% free space for the SSD to do its thing optimally. Also, with SSDs, the following guidelines may be obvious to some and not so obvious to others.
Simple Dont's with SSDs:
1] Don't full format an SSD. You should always use quick format only.
2] Don't run too many Benchmarks.
3] Don't fill your SSD beyond 80 percent capacity of the available flash space.
4] Don't defrag your SSD.
Do I need to enable TRIM on my SSD?
No. TRIM is automatically enabled in Windows 7, but to verify that TRIM is either enabled/disabled, follow these steps. TRIM is not currently available with MAC OS.
1] Type "cmd" in the start menu search box
2] Right click the cmd program and select run as Administrator
3] Type the following in the command line (omit quotation marks)
"fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify"
4] TRIM is Enabled when DisableDeleteNotify = 0
5] TRIM is Disabled when DisableDeleteNotify = 1
ref: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx
Don't defrag your SSD. Absolutely important, Your SSD will and can get damage if you defrag SSD drive. TRIM It is automatically enabled when you installed Windows 7. You do not need to do anything. The TRIM command is designed to enable the operating system to notify the SSD of which pages of data are now invalid due to erases by the user or operating system itself. When files are deleted TRIM sends a message to the SSD firmware to tell it that the blocks which were once used by those are now available.
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 14:41:09
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I upgraded to the Vertex II 60 gig Hd, for program files and I use a Raptor 300 gig 10,000rpm Hd for all my content and I have a few other 7300 rpm Hd for back ups. I must say the ssd was the single best upgrade I made better that adding more ram . The responsiveness is amazing ,completely worth $100.00. When SSD's are lower in price I will upgrade my content drive in a heart beat.. for now my Raptor drive is doing great..Love my SSD..
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 19:22:36
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I use an SSD for my OS with Sonar and other apps as well as VST's. When VST's have samples, then I place the samples on a regular hard drive. I do use another SSD for LA Scoring Strings which loads them much faster as well as being able to stream quite a few more notes. Haven't had to freeze tracks since putting LASS on the SSD.
Jim
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A1MixMan
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 19:47:44
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I have 3 ssd drives. 128gb system, 128gb X1 Projects and audio, and 256gb samples.
Boots and closes super fast, loads projects with lots of samples and audio super fast, moving files around super fast. It's just super fast. Expensive, but I believe worth it.
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 20:43:24
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Something to always think about anyway...
Make sure the you set the default/temp/working folders to
another drive.
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/20 21:45:20
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SSD's are kind of like re-writable CD's DVD's etc. You are limited in the amount of times you can write to it, and each time you do, it degrades ever so slightly. That's why defragging is bad as well as an unconditional format. A quick format just makes the data so it is not seen and can be overwritten but it's still there IIRC.
That's why it's important to buy the extended replacement warranty on them that Newegg and others offer because eventually they are going to die. Those old huge 60MB HDD's with the big metal tops from the 286 days laying in the bottom of our closets will still fire up long after we've gone through our 5th or 6th SSD. :)
That said, I can't wait to get a couple when the price per Gig comes down a bit on them. :)
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Re:SONAR users with SSD for OS drive:
2011/08/21 02:25:15
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Bub
SSD's are kind of like re-writable CD's DVD's etc. You are limited in the amount of times you can write to it, and each time you do, it degrades ever so slightly. That's why defragging is bad as well as an unconditional format. A quick format just makes the data so it is not seen and can be overwritten but it's still there IIRC.
That's why it's important to buy the extended replacement warranty on them that Newegg and others offer because eventually they are going to die. Those old huge 60MB HDD's with the big metal tops from the 286 days laying in the bottom of our closets will still fire up long after we've gone through our 5th or 6th SSD. :)
That said, I can't wait to get a couple when the price per Gig comes down a bit on them. :)
True and its a huge discussion on the INTERNET about how long it it will take before they die. I'm not worried, experts say life cycle are between 5 to 20 years before that happen. Technically some say 51 years. Hopefully you change your computer before that ever happen. If you use SSD for WINDOWS 7 disk and Programs it doesn't matter if it fails. That takes no time to install again. You should always backup all data anyway.
post edited by Freddie H - 2011/08/21 02:28:04
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