jwintermute
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Two hours work lost due to crash
All I tried to do was add one of Cakewalk's parametric EQs and Sonar crashed. I have it set to save every three minutes but there's no history. The "Auto-saved" version seems to be the same as when I started two hours back. What's the point?
Are the auto-saved versions hidden away somewhere? When I access the "revert" menu there's nothing there.
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/20 18:07:48
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First, sorry to hear that. Second, Ctrl-S frequently will be your friend. Third, the autosave versions should be in their respective project folder. I typically use the OS' file browser to locate autosaves and drag them back into Sonar. Three minutes is a pretty tight window, depending on how many versions you are retaining. How many do you have it set to retain?
post edited by osd - 2011/08/20 18:09:07
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/20 19:15:17
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"Revert" doesn't open an autosaved version - it opens the most recently saved version of whichever project file you've currently got loaded, not the most recent autosave.
The autosave function renames the saved versions (it adds "Auto-save Copy of" to the start fo the file name I recall correctly). So when you load the project from the "open" menu you're probably loading the original saved version, not a later autosave.
If you use Windows Explorer to open wherever the project's stored you should find them in there.
3 minutes is a very brief interval for autosaves I would have thought.
My preferred method is to use Sonar's file versioning and hit Ctrl-S often, and "save as" a new file name when I make major changes.
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 00:50:35
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Huge +1 to simply using Ctrl+S. I do it so automatically, I know there are times I'm doing it 10 times in a minute--hehe, but I haven't lost a project in years. Just make that your habit. When you know you're doing a pretty drastic edit, Save Ss with an A, B or 2, 3 added to the original title. But to me, it's a mess to have a million auto-saves with titles I have to re-write, and which I have to thin out. Tried that for like one day and went Mad.
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 03:07:23
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Your autosave should be in the same directory as your project file. It will be called "Auto-save copy of your filename" and unless you have versioning switched on there will only be one of them.
The time stamp on the file will tell you when it was last saved. Of course you can and should still press Ctrl+S regularly but the autosave option is a sensible backup option to have on as you are now finding out.
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jwintermute
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 05:03:23
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Thanks everyone. I'll try the Ctrl+S from now on.
And yes, come to think of it, 3 mins is too often.
Oh well, I'll just have to do it all again.
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 13:37:10
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jwintermute
All I tried to do was add one of Cakewalk's parametric EQs and Sonar crashed. I have it set to save every three minutes but there's no history. The "Auto-saved" version seems to be the same as when I started two hours back. What's the point?
Are the auto-saved versions hidden away somewhere? When I access the "revert" menu there's nothing there.
Aside from the other advice you've been given -- here's how I approach my workflow: I do not use auto-save as I don't want some random timer to decide when I want to save something. But it doesn't hurt anything if you do use auto-save. What I find a better solution is to turn on "versioning". I have it set to '4' but you can choose whatever # suits you. So should there be a problem, I can go into the project folder (via the standard windows explorer) and find the last saved 'version'. This has saved my rear-end many times over the years since it was introduced. As we all know, Sonar sometimes crashes 
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 13:52:04
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JW... were you able to find your saved work? Curious if the story has a happy ending. I bet that it is there.
Thanks for the update.
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jwintermute
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 14:07:19
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Hi jbow - thanks for your concern, unfortunately no I didn't. I have the original CWP file as it was before I started, then an "Auto-save copy" and an "Auto-save copy of Auto-save copy", and all three are the same. I reckon maybe I opened the original one and it auto-saved that. Duurrrr :)
It won't be a great problem doing it again, and I've learned a lesson - plus, a good part of the 2 hours was spent playing with Guitar Rig 4 and the Traktor's 12 :D
I'll stick to manual saves and versioned copies.
(Is 'versioned' not a word? My browser's complaining about it. And its suggestions are quite amusing: 'perversion' haha)
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 14:15:04
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Man, I am sorry but I am glad it wont be a huge problem to fix and that you learned something.... I think maybe a lot of us learn when someone posts something like this. I will not be lax about hitting control-S a LOT. Posts like this help everyone I think.
Thanks for sharing,
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 14:19:42
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versions look something like this
YourSong.cwp.~2011-04-24-08-01-49-781
you may have to choose open with or rename the file, but its worth looking in your project folder to see if they exist!
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 14:50:46
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You should have a more up to date autosave.cwp. especially if you're set to 3 minutes.
it's there somewhere unless this an X1 bug. Since nobody uses 3 minutes, nobody would know.
curious.
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 15:33:12
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I NEVER use save. Save is distructive. It should require confirmation.
And if a file is corrupt in memory it will be corrupt when saved.
Auto-save also is distructive, writing over the previous auto save.
As written above, I SAVE-As to a slightly changed name regularly.
Then the AUTO-SAVE, set to 6 minutes/60 changes, will create a new auto save file.
And then versioning is set as well, to keep lots of copies. And they do not show in the open file dialog, cuz of stupid naming.
J
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 16:10:05
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jm24
I NEVER use save. Save is distructive. It should require confirmation.
And if a file is corrupt in memory it will be corrupt when saved.
Auto-save also is distructive, writing over the previous auto save.
As written above, I SAVE-As to a slightly changed name regularly.
Then the AUTO-SAVE, set to 6 minutes/60 changes, will create a new auto save file.
And then versioning is set as well, to keep lots of copies. And they do not show in the open file dialog, cuz of stupid naming.
J
Just as a matter of interest then. How many save, auto-save, and versioning files do you end up with for a typical project? it must run into thousands or am I misunderstanding you?
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 16:25:44
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I don't use auto save but if I did it wouldn't be every 3 min. That is a lot of interruption for little gain. But then I don't edit that quickly. LOL
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 16:35:28
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I use Save As for major revisions, and also auto save and versioning as I go along. Current project is up to 65 project files after three sessions, and will probably his 100 before I'm done. It doesn't matter, project files themselves are tiny, and they're all sharing the same audio data for the most part.
The actual 65 project files come to a total of 108 mb. This is for a project with lots of midi data and 50+ tracks.
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 19:25:53
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Save As for major changes I hit Ctrl+S like it's going out of fashion while working And have Auto Save on every 25 minutes. Worst Case cenario I'll only loose a maximum of 25 minutes of work. And my folders are tidy 
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/21 19:47:36
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ProjectM
Save As for major changes
I hit Ctrl+S like it's going out of fashion while working
And have Auto Save on every 25 minutes.
Worst Case cenario I'll only loose a maximum of 25 minutes of work.
And my folders are tidy
Oh, to have tidy folders!! Tidy folders are what I yearn for. I spend hours looking into all the folders in the docs folder pining for the days of the beginning when nothing was to be found. Now my folders are full of many copies of projects cuz I don't wanna lose what little legacy I have. I must be pursuing the wrong goals. Tidy, and uncluttered, MUST be the way of the future.
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/22 04:54:35
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Myself i dont do autosave , but i save myself after every section iam happy with, every 5-10 moves on average, but one thing i have noticed and been watching for a while, is quite often if i get a crash after i have saved, it does not always open back up at the save last made its like the save was not made at all, sonar/X1 has a always done this to me, but it seems that providing i saved a few moves before it crashed i am okay it remembers the save point.
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/22 14:45:46
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I too use Auto-save, and have never run into any trouble from auto-save and it has saved my butt on MANY MANY occasion However, with X1b (Been on vacation haven't had too much time with X1c)I too ran into a morning I had worked for 4 hrs and always have auto save to save every 10 min. X1 locked up and low and behold.... No auto-saves...?!?@?!?? I've NEVER had any trouble locating cake files including auto-save files as I store them in their own project folders on the audio drive. It was a random 1 time occurrence.... However, for the 4 hours of studio time I lost, I could have switched to a more stable DAW. Letting you know, you are not alone! PS I have tidy folders, and they will NOT save you from the 'Auto-Save Monster'
post edited by Blogman - 2011/08/22 14:48:50
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/22 16:09:48
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I use auto-save and have it set to save every 1 minute. Then I try to remember to hit CTRL-S whenever I can.
By the way ... there is a bug that causes the Tool Bar to turn gray on some systems when Auto-Save is enabled.
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/22 16:15:30
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Bub
By the way ... there is a bug that causes the Tool Bar to turn gray on some systems when Auto-Save is enabled.
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/22 16:23:55
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joakes
Bub
By the way ... there is a bug that causes the Tool Bar to turn gray on some systems when Auto-Save is enabled.
You just can't resist can you ?
Cheers,
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Why Jerry ... what ever do you mean?
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Re:Two hours work lost due to crash
2011/08/22 17:06:01
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Auto-save working here on 5 mins & 15 changes. More than I can say about trying to save my snap settings though. 
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