TheEdster75
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Crossfading Audio in 8.5
Ok, I have some guitar loops I am using.. They are wave files that I dragged into my DAW on the first track.. I dragged 2 of them in a row and they are separated by a very small space. At that space, it makes a small pop sound. I learned that doing a crossfade can eliminate that sound. In Sonar 8, that was easy. In 8.5 it seems they changed something or I have something set I don't know about..
When I try to just highlight both clips it says the audio does not intersect or whoever the term was. I'm sure you know I mean by that.. So if I try and drag the edge to overlap the other audio to do a crossfade, I still get the message the audio doesn't over lap.. Right now, I have no clue how to do a crossfade in Sonar 8.5....
Somebody please help!!
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Chappel
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/21 20:14:25
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Have you tried bouncing the two clips into one clip?
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TheEdster75
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/21 20:23:27
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Bounce to clips, no that doesn't work... I should be able to do a crossfade somehow, right now though I can't figure out how to do it...
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/21 21:33:48
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Edster, I'm not at my DAW, but a trick I use on occasions to prevent the 'pop' at the end of a clip is to grab the top RH corner of the offending clip (a small triangle will appear indicating a fade out) and drag the corner to the left by a small amount. You can set the options for fast fade out, slow fade out or linear fade out. Fast is usually best in this situation. You can do the same for the other clip and drag the front of the clip by a small amount. You can zoom in by a huge amount and effectively have tiny fades which will eliminate any popping.
If you need to cross fade the clips, you'll have to manually grab the end of one clip and drag it over the end of the other. The default is linear in & out. You can change that in the Cross Fade menu.
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/22 11:20:59
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Edster, you're confusing "crossfades" with "slip fades". They're kind of the same thing, but not quite: a crossfade consists of two complementary slip fades and is only relevant when two clips overlap (hence the message about not "intersecting").
What you want is a short slip fade at the end of the first clip and at the start of the second clip. Just position your mouse over the right-hand side of the first clip, in the upper third of the clip, until the cursor changes to a little right-triangle. Then you can drag to the left to make a fadeout.
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TheEdster75
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/22 12:08:44
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lol!! You all can just call me Ed... Edster is just a username... I tried that slip fade, didn't seem to work. Also I can't seem to drag the audio over to have it cross the other audio. The other audio piece seems to slid back from where I drag the other audio to.. I usually had the grid snap on, is that why?
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/22 14:39:45
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You could try putting the two clips on different audio tracks. If you still get that popping sound then the problem lies in the clips. Is there any way you could post them somewhere where we can check them out?
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/22 17:45:43
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Turn the grid snap off. All you need is a very short fade to eliminate the click, but a longer fade may work better, especially if there is any background noise in the clip.
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/22 21:33:38
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 Yup. What bit said. You just need to drag the end of one of the clips so that it overlays the adjacent clip ever so slightly. This will eliminate the click.
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/22 22:39:25
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TheEdster75
Ok, I have some guitar loops I am using.. They are wave files that I dragged into my DAW on the first track.. I dragged 2 of them in a row and they are separated by a very small space. At that space, it makes a small pop sound. I learned that doing a crossfade can eliminate that sound. In Sonar 8, that was easy. In 8.5 it seems they changed something or I have something set I don't know about..
When I try to just highlight both clips it says the audio does not intersect or whoever the term was. I'm sure you know I mean by that.. So if I try and drag the edge to overlap the other audio to do a crossfade, I still get the message the audio doesn't over lap.. Right now, I have no clue how to do a crossfade in Sonar 8.5....
Somebody please help!!
Yup, to get it to crossfade (which is the correct term) like you already were in 8, just do what Bit & the others said... turn grid snap off.
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/22 22:52:23
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If the clip is moving when you try to drag the other clip over it, go to Options>Global>Editing Tab and make sure Slide Over to Make Room is NOT enabled. If you select the Blend Old and New option, you will also have the option of automatically crossfading any overlapping audio. If you enable Ask Every Time you will get that box every time you click and drag a clip.
post edited by Chappel - 2011/08/22 22:56:19
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/22 23:16:53
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Yeah, you don't want to move or re-position the clip. You want to stretch it ever-so-slightly so that it goes over the adjacent clip (even just by a few milliseconds will do it).
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/22 23:42:12
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There may be a need to have a larger crossfaded section to make sure the audio is affected by the slope. I would try the already mentioned method of using slip editing to create a gain slope on each clip. There is also a crossfade toolbar that has different slope options. Automatic crossfades can also be toggled on/off by pressing the x key on the keyboard.
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/23 20:35:00
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Zoom way in and drag the upper corner on the first clip, then right click the fade and make it a fast fade.
No reason to crossfade.
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TheEdster75
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/24 10:52:36
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It's kinda weird with this one here... What I did is I made a copy of the bass clip I did. I used a 4 string, used GR3. Then positioned it close to the original clip drug it over that, and then did a crossfade. It worked. Then I tried that fast fade, that worked to. Clicked the properties and I show two wav files my bass track is referencing to. However the clip I am trying to either do a crossfade or a slip fade to is a wav file I got from loops I bought from big fish audio. I am seeing that when I hit properties on it, it is only referencing 1 wav file, but I have several clips copied in a row. I did notice that if I drag out that clips the audio keeps going. So I think is one huge audio clip and the click sound is in the audio. So I have to take a new route. I am currently watching a series on editing by Joe Gilder but he uses Pro Tools. And in there he uses a pencil tool to drag over certain audio changes that he is zoomed into to get rid of pops and clicks that are surrounded by audio. However he uses Pro Tools. Does anyone know what the equivalent to that would be in Sonar 8.5?
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/24 10:56:01
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I think it's called redrawing a waveform....
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/24 11:14:52
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..... However he uses Pro Tools. Does anyone know what the equivalent to that would be in Sonar 8.5?
That would be an envelope. You can right click the clip and create either a track volume or clip gain envelope. There are different ways to create nodes that can be moved around to change how the audio sounds. If you want to draw on the envelope freehand, select the Envelope Draw Tool (it looks like a Pencil) and use its Freehand mode. Make sure snap to grid is off. The envelope doesn't change the audio, only the way it plays back so you can always change the envelope and tweak it to get best results without affecting the audio itself. If the pop noise is isolated you can zoom in and select just that transient. Then right click the Envelope Line and select Add Nodes at Selection. That will insert two nodes and you can click and drag in between them to lower to volume of the pop. If you can select just the pop noise you can go to Process>Audio and select Mute. Using the envelope might be preferable because you can't really mess anything up with an envelope since they are non destructive. If the audio clip keeps going that may just be it looping. Groove Clips will do that and will show little indentations at the ends of the clip to show where they start/end. Right click the clip and select Groove Clip Looping to toggle that behavior on and off.
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Re:Crossfading Audio in 8.5
2011/08/24 16:17:34
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TheEdster75
It's kinda weird with this one here... What I did is I made a copy of the bass clip I did. I used a 4 string, used GR3. Then positioned it close to the original clip drug it over that, and then did a crossfade. It worked. Then I tried that fast fade, that worked to. Clicked the properties and I show two wav files my bass track is referencing to. However the clip I am trying to either do a crossfade or a slip fade to is a wav file I got from loops I bought from big fish audio. I am seeing that when I hit properties on it, it is only referencing 1 wav file, but I have several clips copied in a row. I did notice that if I drag out that clips the audio keeps going. So I think is one huge audio clip and the click sound is in the audio. So I have to take a new route. I am currently watching a series on editing by Joe Gilder but he uses Pro Tools. And in there he uses a pencil tool to drag over certain audio changes that he is zoomed into to get rid of pops and clicks that are surrounded by audio. However he uses Pro Tools. Does anyone know what the equivalent to that would be in Sonar 8.5?
yea, they do that a lot - I usually cut the wave in an audio editor to get a separate audio file with a beginning and ending at 0 db. It's more work, but I hate little problems like this popping up (pun intended).
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