BigJGTR
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CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
Is it possoible to covert AUDIO notes to midi notes in sonar? ?
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Lynn
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/22 09:38:24
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I believe that V-Vocal can do this.
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/22 09:42:48
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I've been able to do that with drum tracks using Audio Snap, but never tried it with a vocal track.
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BigJGTR
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/22 09:50:38
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i want to try it with a guitar track and pls explain how I would do this with V-vocal?
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/22 10:00:17
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It works with melody not chords (harmonies).
Once it figures out all the notes you can export that as MIDI... and then send the MIDI to a synth/sampler etc.
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/22 10:04:23
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There's a button for it in the V-vocal interface at the bottom of the toolbar on the left. You just click it and drag to a MIDI track, but... In my experience V-Vocal is very bad at doing this. For it to work at all, the part has to be monophonic - no chords. And a monophonic part is so easy to pick out on the keyboard that converting from audio to MIDI is not worth the trouble, unless it's an extremely fast solo, in which case I don't think V-Vocal would have much luck, either.
post edited by brundlefly - 2011/08/22 11:31:46
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/22 10:09:31
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"You just click it and drag to a MIDI track"
That is pretty cool... I was actually extrapolating from my experiences with Melodyne where it's more of a export procedure.
I've used the feature for learning what I've improvised more so than using it to generate a useful MIDI file.
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BigJGTR
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/22 12:57:49
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nice i will have to give this try! tahnks for the info guys and gals!
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/22 21:37:26
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agree with brundlefly here.. v-vocal is not very good at this at all.. so it needs all the help you can give it.. slow tempo, eliminate fx etc..
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BigJGTR
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/23 09:27:41
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hasnt this sort of tech come further in the recent years? I would think that theres a demand for this sort of thing but oh well. I tried messing around with v-vocal and yea its whacky.
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/23 11:11:03
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hasnt this sort of tech come further in the recent years? I would think that theres a demand for this sort of thing but oh well. There are 3rd-party solutions that work better than V-Vocal. I haven't tried one in a while because none of them have ever proven faster or more accurate than transcribing by ear. Plus, the benefit of transcribing it yourself (aside from the personal satisfaction and ear-training benefits) is that by the time you've got the transcription dialed in, you're half way to being able to play it. 
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/23 12:08:56
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V-Vocal actually works very well for translating monophonic audio into MIDI (can be a vocal, brass, reed, bass, etc.).
There are a couple of tricks to getting it to work as well as it can ...
- Try to use audio tracks with no reverb or delay on them
- In VV remove all vibrato from the audio clip
- Hard correct the pitch so that each note is squarely on a specific pitch
SP
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/23 20:09:43
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Seth just set the record straight. V Vocal is no slouch.
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Re:CAN Sonar X1c DO THIS???
2011/08/24 02:13:15
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Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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V-Vocal actually works very well for translating monophonic audio into MIDI (can be a vocal, brass, reed, bass, etc.).
There are a couple of tricks to getting it to work as well as it can ...
- Try to use audio tracks with no reverb or delay on them
- In VV remove all vibrato from the audio clip
- Hard correct the pitch so that each note is squarely on a specific pitch
SP
Maybe things have changed with updates to V-Vocal in the interim; I haven't tried it for a while. The first few tests I tried failed miserably on very simple monophonic parts from synths with no pitch bend, and very distinct notes with lots of space between them, and a moderate tempo. I think I even tried using the old Twonar VSTi demo plug-in that generated pure, perfectly pitched sines, thinking that would make VV's job as easy as possible. The results were horribly inaccurate both in pitch and timing. Notes were often several steps or even a whole octave off the correct pitch. More surprising was that some note ons were seriously out of time as well. I'll give it another go when I get a chance, and issue a retraction if I get a good result.
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