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2011/08/22 16:59:59 (permalink)

sonar x1 studio and yamaha tyros 3

I've configured my yamaha keyboard in Sonar. I've loaded .ins files for my instrument. I've installed the latest drivers for the delta1010lt audio interface. 
 
I can  record and playback a midi track using my tyros 3 keyboard in Sonar. However the problem I'm having is once I record a second  midi track, the new track just plays the same patch as the original one.
I'm selecting a new channel each time. As well as a new bank and patch. But in playback I'm still hearing all tracks playing the currently selected instrument on my Yamaha keyboard or the instrument patch defined in the track view.
Also I have turned off Local control on my keyboard so that voices are assigned in Sonar.
Can anyone offer some advice or point me to a cakewalk tutorial?
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Mark
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    Mystic38
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    Re:sonar x1 studio and yamaha tyros 3 2011/08/22 21:24:55 (permalink)
    Turning local off has nothing to do with patch assignments... local control simply disables the connection between the keyboard and its internal sound generator.. Note: you do not NEED to have local control OFF in the Tyros..simply disable INPUT ECHO on your midi tracks in X1

    I do not have a Tyros but some ideas to look at..

    a) Some synths need to be set to a multi-timbral mode to use multiple channels.. so ensure you have the correct mode set.
    b) if X1 cannot affect the patch at all, you may need to enable RX of PC messages.. PC = Program Change aka patch

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    Re:sonar x1 studio and yamaha tyros 3 2011/08/23 10:43:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
    The Tyros 3 is in Multi Timbral Mode out of the box.
    I understand everything except for the last part.
    Enabaling RX of PC messages. What does the RX refer to.
    Sorry for the dumb question, but I've had sonar for two weeks. Big learning curve.
    Thanks,
    Mark
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    Re:sonar x1 studio and yamaha tyros 3 2011/08/23 15:10:32 (permalink)
    lol.. did you just mark your own post as helpful?.. :)

    The sound generator in most synths have a filter on the incoming midi stream that allows you to screen what messages it (the sound generator) responds to.. this is commonly called a RX (receive) filter... other common things that can be removed from affecting the sound generator are pan, volume, aftertouch, modwheel etc.

    So there are two ways of selecting your instruments in your setup:
    1. Do so on the tyros, and disable PC (program change) reception, or,
    2. Have PC enabled (probably on by default) and select patches from Sonar.

    Note:  If you do not have an .INS file (instrument definition) for the Tyros, you need to enter bank and patch number manually into each midi track in Sonar.. this is tedious, but the information to do so will be with your Tyros.... also note, if your experiments keep giving you only piano sounds then its very likely a setup issue of your patch assignments.. as adefault patch is commonly piano.

    I would suggest the following steps...

    1. put some midi data into a MIDI track..either record from the tyros or any other keyboard, entry method you have..even Piano Roll View (PRV)..
    2. assign the midi out to be the tyros on Midi channel 1, and pick a patch..
    3. play the clip..does the correct patch sounds in the tyros?
    4. Insert another midi track and record a midi clip.
    5. in the output options of track 2 select midi channel 2 and select another patch on the tyros.
    6. play both tracks..


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