A question for our guitarists

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A question for our guitarists

Prompted by a statement made to a friend of mine by a purveyor of guitars.
 
Do you use the volume and tone controls on you guitar?
 
 
Or do you just wind them all the way up and never alter whilst playing, as he was advised.
 
 
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    yorolpal
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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:04:23 (permalink)
    Yes to both.  If your using your amp alone for both clean and dirty sounds how could you not use your volume knob?  And tone...well...that's pretty important, don't ya think?

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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:06:07 (permalink)
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    Prompted by a statement made to a friend of mine by a purveyor of guitars.
     
    Do you use the volume and tone controls on you guitar?
     
     
    Or do you just wind them all the way up and never alter whilst playing, as he was advised.
     
     
    There are no doubts that this will either disappear into the ether or be taken on some hither to yet unknown course.
     
    Apologies in advance for being so non CH.

    On my geeter it's on full bore all the time.


    On the bass, I use it/them* depending on the song.


    *The Alembic (oh, did I ever tell you I have one?) has two tones controls as well as a three way frequency toggle switch per pickup.


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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:18:10 (permalink)
    I find that I'm constantly adjusting both during playing.... but mainly the volume. 

    My SG is old skool... so when I turn the volume it also affects the tone of the pickup to some small degree...

    I normally set the guitar volume to 10 and the amp to where I want it wide open.... maybe a bit higher. Then I use the guitar to control the volume.  Dialing back on the verses and dialing up for the leads and choruses. 


    I normally run the tone on 10 but also will dial it back to mellow out the sounds... takes the edge off nicely.... and further back for some mellow blues riffing...
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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:18:40 (permalink)
    Wookiee



     
    Do you use the volume and tone controls on you guitar?
     



    Certainly do John, I'm constantly trying to get the tone 'just so', and the combinations are endless.

     
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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:20:31 (permalink)
    When using sims I leave the controls on 10.
    When using an amp, I adjust as needed.
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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:40:43 (permalink)
    Many sounds absolutely require adjusting volume(s) and or tone(s). People who don't use them apparently aren't interested in those particular sounds.

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:43:37 (permalink)
    I just got off my amp...

    I turn those knobs constantly... in fact that's what I look for in an amp... one that really responds to my guitar controls and let's me have lots of voices just by tweaking.

    I bend over and tweak the amp when ever I want too.




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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:45:33 (permalink)
    Shake that amp McQ!
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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:47:07 (permalink)
    Thank you all gentlemen. 

    Personally I have always used the tone and volume on the guitar to create that "just right" tone.  I was looking for some confirmation so I can convince this friend of mine that it is a case of balancing the amp and the guitar to get that sometimes elusive tone.

    Again my thanks I just knew that amongst the madness, general lunacy and unfunnyness of the CH I would get sensible answers.




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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:48:12 (permalink)
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    Do you use the volume and tone controls on you guitar?
    It depends on which guitar I'm playing, which style of music I'm playing, and if I'm playing live or recording.

    Recording (Guitar):

    Rock w/distortion: Tones=Full Treble. Volume=All the way up.
    Rock w/o distortion and every other genre: Tones=Adjust for song. Volume:All the way up.

    Live (Guitar):

    Tones and Volume continually tweaked, but most often my Strats and Tele's were full treble and my Les Paul was adjusted on the warmer side.

    Recording (Bass):

    All Genre's: Tone and Volume adjusted.

    Live (Bass):

    Never played bass live so I can't say.

    Not all tone controls are the same either. I have a Strat with a set of EMG Gold pickups and one with factory pickups and they are radically different in the tone curve (am I using the correct term there?). I can move the tone knob on the factory setup with no effect until I get to the very end. Then the last 1/8" movement is super sensitive and is hard to find the sweet spot. The EMG's have an even warmth from the time you first move the tone knob from full treble to full mud.

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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:51:34 (permalink)
    I've used the volume a lot earlier, before I got a volume pedal
    (actually tucked it away again also, since I have it on the Pod footboard...)

    The tone control I still use, mostly for creating a) jazzy tone or b) long "pad-like" tones with delay and reverb, this is mostly with the earlier mentioned volumepedal.


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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 14:59:50 (permalink)
    Thank you Bub and Kristoffer your replies are welcome.

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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 15:09:15 (permalink)
    I constantly change the sound on my Strat adjusting the volume for fills and rhythm. Soloing I tend to boost the treble on the lower notes and cut back the treble a little on the high notes as I'm playing. This is IMHO just personal preference. The guide is what your ear tells you. You can record your playing and exaggerate turning up and down to hear the differences. Much experimentation is the key I think. 


    On my Ibanez I don't change much. I set all the controls all the way up. It's my shredder guitar and I have a lot of distortion on it. I do some rhythm on it too but not that much. It sounds like Frank Gambale's Sabre to me. I love both guitars!
    I hope I've helped! Good luck always and have fun!

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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 15:20:26 (permalink)
    Yes yes and yes (the last being the pickup selector)

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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 15:38:03 (permalink)
    Cheers Bill and Space your input is appreciated.

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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/30 16:56:29 (permalink)
    I use both frequently. With single coils I may go up to 10, but usually not regardless of pup style. I like to give myself some leeway with both knobs. If you're constantly cranked to 10, you only have one way to go. With two tone and two volume knobs, plus the amp, the possibilities are endless. How could you RESIST tweaking?

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    An excellent question from the Wookie for guitarists who value their limbs 2011/08/30 17:44:32 (permalink)
    The volume knob gets used for two reasons: To roll-off and get a clean tone (like My Ol' Pal mentioned) and I also like to use it for effects with my pinkie.  If you cut off the attack you can get a violin-ish sound or if you rock it just so you can get a quick volume oscillation.

    Remember that the tone knob is only a cut by adding resistance to the electronic circuit.  With the knob up all the way, it's the same as if the potentiometer (a variable resistor) wasn't there.  In other words, the tone knob doesn't add anything to the tone, it only removes - if more guitarists realized this, they'd probably get brighter pickups to start with.  That said, depending on what kind of pot you get, they can target certain frequencies and change how much the tone is affected.  Some have a very gradual effect, others more radical (from linear to exponential).

    Of course, then you have nerds like me who spend more time on multiple options than on actually playing the damn guitar, so I have lots of multiple knobs and switches.  Check out the first link below to see what I have on one of my customs then look at the second link to see how many tone options I have available (two dozen!).  And all of that is before I start twiddling with the "normal" tone knob!

    Lots of knobs and switches!

    Lots of tone options!

    (My other custom guitar has Variax guts buried in it as well so add another 50+ options there - this is how I was able to reduce my original "herd" from about 14 guitars down to two.)

     
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    Re:An excellent question from the Wookie for guitarists who value their limbs 2011/08/30 17:56:10 (permalink)
    never use tone control, but use vol and pup selector (neck pup for clean/half-distorted/full-distorted but needing clarity/sweep picking, bridge for rhythm, full on shred leads), volume for leads mainly...

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    Re:An excellent question from the Wookie for guitarists who value their limbs 2011/08/31 05:01:43 (permalink)
    Mark, Graig and Mark thank you for your replies.

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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/31 06:30:32 (permalink)
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    Thank you all gentlemen. 

    Personally I have always used the tone and volume on the guitar to create that "just right" tone.  I was looking for some confirmation so I can convince this friend of mine that it is a case of balancing the amp and the guitar to get that sometimes elusive tone.

    Again my thanks I just knew that amongst the madness, general lunacy and unfunnyness of the CH I would get sensible answers.

    You know what Wookiee, don't even try to convince him. LOL! In my opinion, the constant use of volume and tone controls pretty much deals with when your tone has a clean or moderate dirty tone. Now for high gain, most guys don't touch that stuff because they want the full guts of the sound going on at all times. However, when using higher gain stages, your volume knob pretty much acts more like a gain knob than an actual volume level. Because high gain sounds are usually compressed due to the gain, the knob is just going to control the amount of gain. Again though, is in extreme gain situations like modern rock/metal of today as well as lots of the 80's hair metal dude type sounds.
     
    If you back the tone knob down, you mud up pretty quick due to the gain so most guys will leave this wide open also. BUT, for leads, sometimes it's nice to keep the bridge pup enabled and roll the tone knob completely down to get that creamy, smooth, Santana type tone or if using modern gain, a bit like the lead tone of John Sykes from Whitesnake or the later Europe stuff with Kee Marcello. Those guys really got great tones from tone kob control while using extreme gain...but most of that was on lead guitar passages only.
     
    For cleaner stuff and mild drive, these knobs are going to play a bigger role in the sound for sure. Especially if you have a rig along the lines of what I use in my guitars. I like having both active and passive control on my guitars. The active controls have their own eq. A high and a low. The passive just has a tone knob...but it's great to toggle between them with the push of my volume knob as that is a push/pull. I also have coil taps, so this really gives me loads of options because I can get that strat type sound as well. Messing with the single coil sound in active or passive mode gives me such an array of sounds, it's pretty much like having any guitar you could dream of all in one. I also have a 3-way toggle and a phase switch. So now we have a Les Paul type sound, a Strat, and an almost bell like simulated Tele with the choice of enhancing these either with active or passive all in one shot. So in this situation, I'm all over these knobs like flies on poo constantly because in one twist, you get a totally different pallet to choose from. :)
     
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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/08/31 08:27:09 (permalink)
    Thanks Danny your input is much appreciated.

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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/09/01 09:57:39 (permalink)
    Most of Van Halen's first 2 albums were recorded on a guitar with no tone control - he used to say in interview he didn't need one as he could very the tone with how/where he picked etc.
     

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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/09/02 15:28:17 (permalink)
     
    Wook, I absolutely love the pick-up blender pot Michael suggested for Ruby.
     
    The permutations open up a whole new area of tone shaping.

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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/09/02 16:18:48 (permalink)
     My main axe is a G&L Comanche,it actualy has treble and bass knobs,I adjust them according to the song I'm playing.It also has a switch that gives me some other tonal options.Its a real nice guitar.
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    Re:A question for our guitarists 2011/09/02 20:49:49 (permalink)
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    Wook, I absolutely love the pick-up blender pot Michael suggested for Ruby.
     
    The permutations open up a whole new area of tone shaping.

    Strummy: So I hear, I am looking forward to trying it!
     
    Combo: Tis true there is that control and thanks for your input.
     
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