is VX-64 VocalStrip enough?

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2011/09/03 21:27:08 (permalink)

is VX-64 VocalStrip enough?

for vocal massaging or I still need other plugins like V-Vocal and other goodies?

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/03 21:42:13 (permalink)
    Actually this is one of Sonar's worst plugs IMOH it def not the only plug you will need for vocals.  Look the deesser, the delay and the ADT are all fine but I have read and it may have been on this forum or gearsluts thats the EQ has phase issues when I was told that I went back and had a listen and there was a problem, whether it was the EQ or some other part of the plug=unknown.

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/03 21:59:31 (permalink)
    I think its one of the very best CW has ever come out with.  I have used it a lot.

    One thing to keep in mind is that CW has a long history with providing good solid pluins.  They stand up very well compared with other DAW's native plugins and in most cases surpass them in sound quality. Looks is another matter. Then nobody has ever cared what a songs plugins look like when listening.

    Forgot to answer the OP;

    It very well may be enough. It all depends on what you wish to do. For vocal enhancement its great. I have not seen a another plugin that does what it does. That could be because I haven't used every plugin available. 
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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/03 22:07:32 (permalink)
    here you go, so who is right?  kinda extreme opinions...



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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/03 22:14:22 (permalink)
    yeah..but both from avatars with flamers!

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/03 22:17:22 (permalink)
    kc2ine


    here you go, so who is right?  kinda extreme opinions...


    The best advice is search for it here and see what others say. The best thing to do is use it and see for yourself. No matter what anyone says its your opinion that matters to you.

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/03 22:18:32 (permalink)
    I think VX-64 is great.  I have used it on all the singers tracks that I have done collaborations with.  Sounds pretty good.  Right up there with all the high-priced vocal plugs quality-wise.

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/03 22:52:44 (permalink)
    "Enough" for what?

    Let's turn the question around. What do you want to achieve? I you want to SOUNDZ LIKE THE PROZ then your level of comprehension of the craft under discussion is too low for this to be a worthwhile conversation. If you want something else, then let's kick it around.

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/03 23:43:20 (permalink)
    there use to be this thing called " good vocal technique" that folks did way before processing,, kc2ine you are sad man.. why do ask questions that anybody with life experience, knows the answer to???? if you are not gonna try and see for yourself, why bother folks with your inaneness. dude!! GO AWAY!!! last week you were ragging on how X1 is not pro enuogh for you, and here you are asking sissy @ss newbie questions..

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 00:19:32 (permalink)
    its a great vocal plugin.  it works well on other stuff too.        the eq is not for doing surgery, it is a broad but musical 4 band.      that being said, i sometimes need to use another eq before it, and a limiter after it.       so, NO, its not it"   but i still like it and use it daily.
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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 00:45:34 (permalink)
    VX-64 and V-Vocal do different functions. They don't conflict with each other, which kind of makes your question invalid. However, the more tools you have in your toolbox, the better tracks you can produce. Which would you rather have, a fully complemented Snap On toolbox or a Swiss army knife?

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 00:57:36 (permalink)
    The vocal strip is nice - but know, it doesn't have the best of everything.  It is good for effects - deesser, nicely configured echo/delay and the compander is a goode "all-in-one" unit.  But I tend to use other EQs and compressors on vocals.  So no, I don't think it is the higgs bosum of vocal strips.  The backing female vox is a great starting point for that kind of use, tho.

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 01:23:59 (permalink)
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    However, the more tools you have in your toolbox, the better tracks you can produce. Which would you rather have, a fully complemented Snap On toolbox or a Swiss army knife?

    I'd choose army knive to be honest, maybe because deep down I'm green beret   and maybe because I prefer live recordings without much of post (over) processing.



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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 01:44:03 (permalink)

    The Vocal Strip is a good plug, but Nectar by Izotope beats it to death. Of course Nectar will run you $250 bucks so....

    Of course neither will fix a bad vocal performance or even tweak the occassional flat note or timing issue. For that you'll need to use V Vocal or Melodyne. V Vocal works great for some, others have issues with it. Melodyne Essential is easier to use and is a great buy at only $60.00.
    You can get trial versions of both Nectar and Melodyne, try 'em out and do your own comparison.
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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 02:23:32 (permalink)
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    The Vocal Strip is a good plug, but Nectar by Izotope beats it to death. Of course Nectar will run you $250 bucks so....

    Of course neither will fix a bad vocal performance or even tweak the occassional flat note or timing issue. For that you'll need to use V Vocal or Melodyne. V Vocal works great for some, others have issues with it. Melodyne Essential is easier to use and is a great buy at only $60.00.
    You can get trial versions of both Nectar and Melodyne, try 'em out and do your own comparison.
    Good luck!
    not looking to fix bad singing :)
    thanks for suggestions Rscain.


    got to try that Nectar...

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 08:20:07 (permalink)
    +1 on Nectar

    I have also had great success with some of the POD Farm plugins for vocals.

    Either way, I have used VX-64 maybe twice in my songs. I think the plug is okay, but I have others that simply blow it away.
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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 08:33:07 (permalink)
    +1 on Nectar, it is sweet and gets great results.
    Nice presets in it that work.



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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 11:21:56 (permalink)
    I think it's great. At first I used it for quick and dirty adjustments to scratch tracks when demoing tracks just to get the ball rolling. I figured I'd replace all that later with dedicated fx and some more complicated routing.

    But, now I find I leave the plugin there more often than I thought I would. It's quite good, and the main reason I swap it out now when I do isn't the plugin itself, it's just wanting more control over the signal. Being able to EQ the delay line separate from the dry signal, for example. Or having attack time exposed on the compressor.

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 12:28:18 (permalink)
    I've tried the VX-64 plug-in but I noticed it rolls the high end off of the vocals too much for my liking when I use the desser and found myself EQ'ing more than I should have because of it. The Delay is a nice feature too, but it doesn't always remember your settings.

    I use envelopes now rather than a desser. Takes longer, but comes out better IMO. I do the same for volume fluctuations as well rather than use a compressor. Again, it takes a lot longer but sounds 1,000 times better IMO than dessers and compressors chopping and squashing your vocal.

    I tried the demo of Nectar and meh. I wasn't all that blown away by it. Although, at the time, all the features didn't work in x64 and that's all I had installed on my system at the time so I couldn't test the entire program.

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 14:19:58 (permalink)
    If you use it, and decide it is enough, then it is enough. Open it up on a vocal track and rifle through the presets, find one that sounds reasonable, then see if you can make it better. If everything you try doesn't get there, then it isn't enough...

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/04 17:31:59 (permalink)
    some people dont know the difference between 64vocal strip and vvocal.    thread is is out of control.
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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/05 01:31:40 (permalink)
    I've been using it quite a bit lately, all in all, I like it. I don't really use the compander or the saturaters though. As someone else already said, I find i use eq's with adjustable Q's more often, but when i do use the on-board I think it sounds very musical, just a db or two at right Hz goes a long way and can really help the vocal to fit. The doubler works well, i like to use it subtly, it helps the vocal to cut the mix a little. I also like the syncable delay, though I've been wondering how it knows the tempo to sync to? I'm not using the metronome tempo in any of these current projects. Anybody know how this works? Now having said all that, I just installed Voxformer tonight though I haven't had a chance to give it go yet. I want to try something else and the price is reasonable. If it's anything like Elephant, I'm really going to like it. But, it doesn't have a built in delay like VX-64.

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/05 15:34:24 (permalink)
    Yea, the delay is my favorite.  It is old school.

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    Re:is VX-64 VocalStrip enough? 2011/09/05 16:10:09 (permalink)
    I use a PreSonus Eureka coming in: it is a decent preamp and will get the EQ and compression in the ballpark (don't want to do anything extreme when recording).  Singer and mic are 95% of the sound--at least for me.
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