Mastering question perhaps?

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2011/09/04 12:36:18 (permalink)

Mastering question perhaps?

OK I am almost close to finishing a project. I export the completed song and pretty much everything is coming together. But I'm having a problem with the bass. I re-did the entire bass track recording with clean levels but I am still having the same problem. No matter how I eq the bass it still comes out too loud. I'm thinking that since I always leave the track as a mono perhaps this is the problem. Is it OK to bounce the bass track down to stereo?

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    Re:Mastering question perhaps? 2011/09/04 13:25:09 (permalink)
    Do you trust your monitoring? Does the bass sound OK when you export, but too loud in other systems?
    How does your projects low end look in a frequency analyser compared to a commercial CD of your liking? Stereo/mono is not the answer.
    Basicly, if the bass sounds disturbingly loud, it most likely is too loud.

    One trap with the low end could be leaving too much below 50 Hz, which is mostly muddy mumble. The punchy, defined bass is higher than that. If you haven't tried yet, try putting a HP filter at 45-50 Hz.

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    Re:Mastering question perhaps? 2011/09/04 14:06:21 (permalink)
    Perhaps it's the monitor system. In Sonar it sounds great. Once it's exported it sounds good. I can play a CD of the project on my system and it sounds good. Go outside my system and it sounds boomy with the bass just sounding too loud. I've already done all the Eq tricks you suggested. I'm at a point were now I'll just lower the bass down to nothing on my system, (it'll sound like an empty hole).
     
    About this frequency analyser....do you mean something like Cool Edit Pro?
    Because if it is the wave is within in the competitive normal parameters of a commercial CD. Peaks at about -3dB.

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    Re:Mastering question perhaps? 2011/09/04 14:32:13 (permalink)
    It sounds like a monitoring problem in your room.  Mixing is an experience thing, and not just with the sounds on tape etc.  It is learning from experience how your system translates to other systems and in general.  For example, the sound system in my jeep is pretty good, but on some songs the bass just blooms.  Other songs it just disappears.  There was a thread about this kind of problem a few weeks ago, and stems from the cut off frequency in cars and the natural resonances.

    Frequency analyzers give a 2 D readout of the song (or room), showing where the energy is.  I imagine you have a big problem in your room where certain bass frequencies disappear.  You mix accordingly, but then they are too loud on other systems.  You can see this in the read out.  Other than knowing the problem is there, it ain't going to help you much.  I suppose you could find the frequency to cut, but w/o hearing it is hard to find the slope, etc.   But it can help you "fix" your room with bass traps and other goodies.

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    Re:Mastering question perhaps? 2011/09/04 15:39:42 (permalink)
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    About this frequency analyser....do you mean something like Cool Edit Pro?
    Because if it is the wave is within in the competitive normal parameters of a commercial CD. Peaks at about -3dB.
    I mean something like the excellent, free Voxengo Span. Make sure you download the version 2 from Voxengos site, not the original from a third party source,( which also is good) because 2 has more features.
    It's not the audio waveform that can help you, the problem lies in the frequencies.
     


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    Re:Mastering question perhaps? 2011/09/04 21:47:55 (permalink)
    Would of been nice if you posted a link....

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    Re:Mastering question perhaps? 2011/09/05 00:12:40 (permalink)
    When I find my mix has to much bass guitar ( if this is your bass ) then I move my hi pass filter from it's pre set of 80 up to 85. If it's still to loud I move it a little higher. I find this is the better way to kill it than turning down the track. Turning down the track will make the bass hard to hear, cutting lower frequencies will maintain it's place in the mix but get rid of the mud. I A/B mixes on a few different speakers like I'll take it and play it on my kitchen computers speakers which will distort if there is to much low end. Generally I have gotten used to my Yamaha NS M 10 monitors and do not have a problem on other systems.

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    Re:Mastering question perhaps? 2011/09/05 07:36:41 (permalink)
    In my experience, it's not the lwo bass that causes problems, it's the low mids that can easily be overcooked and cause mud build up.

    In answer to one of the OP's questions - no, don't bounce your bass track down to stereo, leave it as mono.

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    Re:Mastering question perhaps? 2011/09/05 11:19:10 (permalink)
    Would of been nice if you posted a link....


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    Re:Mastering question perhaps? 2011/09/05 14:22:12 (permalink)
    Thanks guys. Very inspirational info that inspired me to dig deeper and use your suggestions. I figured out that it is my monitoring system. All levels may sound good in Sonar but the end result is always too boomy at the bass. Turns out that all the levels were too loud but the bass is the easiest to identify because of the boominess external sound systems will play back. I decreased all my track levels by about -4.0 to -6.0db. The final out levels were maxed at -12.0db in Sonar. It sounded very good if I cranked up my monitoring system. But I also know that the exported project will sound very low and playback reflected this upon listening on an external sound system. What I did afterwords was to import the final project wave as a new project and then plug in boost 11. I boosted the project up by 6db and the output was set to -2.0db to -3.0db. THAT did it!!

    Now the bass and all the levels are very listen-able on all my external sound systems. I like to always rate my project based on a flat response at the external sound system. NO EQ!! Now all that's left is for the listener to adjust to their liking. I succeeded!

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