(SOLVED) iZotope Nectar: only works fully in Sonar 8.5??

I saw two postive recommendations for iZotope's Nectar tool on this thread:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2380605
So I checked it out and, initially impressed, I downloaded the demo.
 
But it doesn't work fully in Sonar X1 !!! Their web site says it only supports the manual pitch shifting for Sonar 8.5 32 bit!  For an ostensibly whizzy on-the-ball company like iZotope that strikes me as pretty weak.  I assume users here are only using it in 8.5, or are happy to use it in X1 but without having the manual pitch editing working?

John

This is the actual comment from the iZzotope Knowledge base article.


Manual pitch editing requires robust support for reporting transport location from the host application. Unfortunately, not all hosts provide this information to plug-ins. The following lists represent the hosts we've verified support for at this time as well as the hosts that we know do not support manual pitch editing in Nectar.
Please note that manual pitch editing is not supported at all when Nectar is instantiated as a DirectX plug-in, therefore please use Nectar as a VST plug-in when available.

My conculsions from this information: 
There's not enough information in the article to allow us to seperate whether SONAR 8.5 (32 bit only) is a host that they have verified or is a host that they know doesn't support manual pitch correction. If the former then perhaps they haven't tested X1 yet 

Considering that SONAR has it's own V-Vocal manual pitch correction I'd be surprised that it doesn' work in X1 and 64 bit.

I haven't to date used Nectar's pitch correction - guess it's time to try it. 

 

mudgel


Well as far as I can tell it is sad news indeed because I can't make Nectar's Pitch orrection work in manual Mode. I only have the 64 bit version of SONAR X1 installed.

However in Reaper (x64) Presonus Studio One (x64) versions it works fine in all modes, manual or automatic. Not sure that this is a an iZotope issue. I don't know enough about these things

I've now also tried SONAR 8.5 (x86) it works & SONAR 8.5 (x64) It doesn't work 
Iit seems like 64 bit is a real issue with this 64 bit plugin. Or I should say SONAR's 64 bit version doesn't like it. 
 
I can confirm that SONAR 8.5.3 and SONAR X1 c (x64) do not run Nectar's Pitch correction in manual mode. Automatice works fine.
 

Hmm.. That certainly is a bummer. I wonder what other hosts have issues. It does seem rather strange to me that Sonar x86 works fine but x64 does not. Good to know at least. I was close to shelling out money for it... Somehow I doubt this will be addressed any time soon or ever.


Owell, there are other tools for the job I guess.


Edit: 
List of supported and unsupported hosts: 
http://www.izotope.com/support/center/index.php?x=&mod_id=2&root=38&id=484

It looks like most of the other major DAWS work fine.. :( 

Yeah Cakewalk uses an Izotope algorithm to render the audio in AudioSnap

On that note.. Does the Melodyne vst plugin work well in Sonar?

audiyo


On that note.. Does the Melodyne vst plugin work well in Sonar?

According to previous threads on this: yes and no.
I, and many others, find that Melodyne Editor freezes and crashes Sonar after a few a few minutes work.  Some of us have reported this on the Melodyne forum and Celemony eventually conceded they had found a problem and were going to liaise with Cakewalk about it.  That was a couple of months ago nearly, and no news yet.
 
At least an equal number of others have posted here saying they have no problems at all, but there seems to be no obvious differences between the two camps in terms of hardware, etc.
 
John

ProjectM

audiyo


On that note.. Does the Melodyne vst plugin work well in Sonar?

I find Melodyne to work great. The new version with polyphonic pitch correction can apparently cause a lot of trouble. But I haven't tried it my self. The monophonic one have saved me hours of wasted time and the results sounds awesome even on bigger adjustments. I even had a kid who couldn't sing to save his life in a cartoon dubbing session and after just getting the timing straight I more or less drew in the melody afterwards, which he wasn't even close to sing, and it sounded good. It's been on national TV and seen by several thousand people - no complaints at all I recommend Melodyne any day. 

Nice, Yeah I actually tried a demo version of Melodyne a while back. I was very impressed. As far as getting a natural sound, I haven't heard better.

The potential problem for me is that If I'm not mistaken, Melodyne essential only comes in VST. I've been thinking about getting it but now I'm a little hesitant due to what Skyline_UK mentioned.. It sounds like a bit of a gamble to run it in Sonar.

It'd be nice to get one of the more expensive versions and then I can just run it in standalone..  Hmm.. 

Back to Nectar.. I'm thinking I may just snag that anyway as the majority of what I want to use it for works ok. Hopefully v-vocal can cut it for small pitch corrections.

Just checked this here on my machine.
I am running Windows 7 x64 and have the latest Nectar 64bit VST v1.10.875.

You need to make sure that Nectar is configured as a "Tempo Based Effect" in order to get the real time capture and manual pitch correction.

It had me stumped a little until I remembered to do this in the Plug in Manager.  I can now see the vocal being captured in the manual correction window.

I am not sure what version the demo is but I will check it out.

simeon


Just checked this here on my machine.
I am running Windows 7 x64 and have the latest Nectar 64bit VST v1.10.875.

You need to make sure that Nectar is configured as a "Tempo Based Effect" in order to get the real time capture and manual pitch correction.

It had me stumped a little until I remembered to do this in the Plug in Manager.  I can now see the vocal being captured in the manual correction window.

I am not sure what version the demo is but I will check it out.

simeon
 
THANKS!  You've cracked it!
So iZotope regard Nectar as not compatible with anything Sonar other than 8.5 32 bit??  I await their response to my earlier support request with interest!  Perhaps I can give them some good news and they could update their compatibility web page.
 
thanks again!
John

simeon


Just checked this here on my machine.
I am running Windows 7 x64 and have the latest Nectar 64bit VST v1.10.875.

You need to make sure that Nectar is configured as a "Tempo Based Effect" in order to get the real time capture and manual pitch correction.

It had me stumped a little until I remembered to do this in the Plug in Manager.  I can now see the vocal being captured in the manual correction window.

I am not sure what version the demo is but I will check it out.

Nice!!