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2011/09/04 18:13:44 (permalink)

Squash!

What aspects of your mixes do you feel are best to squash and why?
 
Please try to relate to frequencies, instruments, and/or fav genres ... where you'd deem.
 
I'll begin:
 
My genre is beatz, currently.  IIRC, there is a law of science that states: "dancy beatz require 8-16 measures of squashing in sections ... if not the whole d&ng song".
 
Boost-11 is my fav squasher (low CPU and fast to dial in); Ozone4 squashers get too intelligent for my average IQ (or, my ears can't tell the difference)
 
I love to generously squash the kick and bass from about 45 to 250Hz ... but haven't figured precise freqs yet.
 
Also, other pecussives get squashed a bit less.
 
Vocs oft get squashed with up to 35dcbs of (hyper-compression), but
-- with narrow rolloffs of lows and highs,
-- the shriek-freqs: 3.5khz gets a 3-6 dcbl reduction at about Q=1,
-- 6-9 Hz get gentle rolloffs ... so that by 10kHz there can be no vox sibs, brilliance, hiss, etc. becoming squashed.
-- serious de-essing is necessary during vox squashing of siblant males.
 
I'm debating on acoustic and electric guitars.  I know some of you metal folk compress out most of the timbre oft.  Usually I don't compress electric guitars much, unless things are in-out too much, level-wise.
 
None of the tinnier instruments get squashed more than 3-4 dcbs (strings, vios, trumps, etc.).  These are more likely to receive saturation assistance, to warm the mids, so to speak.
 
And I'm 98% sure there's law of science that states "generous saturation applied to a squashed low end is abomination". 

post edited by Philip - 2011/09/05 10:41:22

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Re:Squash! 2011/09/05 23:15:18 (permalink)
i love squash casserole....
and i dig putting a goodly amount of cayenne in it.

and don't overcook that squash, let it keep a bit of crunch.


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Re:Squash! 2011/09/06 08:36:17 (permalink)
Fried squash with onions..... oh my....!  Almost heaven with some steamed cabbage and vinegar....


In a mix..... not so much. 

I try NOT to squash anything in my mixes. 

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Re:Squash! 2011/09/06 09:57:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Room Mics on a Drum kit.

Compressor set to STUN...and blended to taste.

Almost always.

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Re:Squash! 2011/09/06 12:26:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
i use waves L2 limiter on almost all of my bass  tracks.

like SKULL, i will often times do room mics with some squash.... and then blend.

other times, i'll use the room mics as the MAIN sound, and then i'm bringing in the other parts of the kits to just fill in, and i'll squish those....

i never squish guitar. never.

i do all my vocals thru an external dbx compressor, for color, and control, so that's a permanant NON-REFUNDABLE choice. not for the faint of heart. can ruin a good track. handle with care.
 
i put very gentle compression on mixdown, on almost everything.

i do it at track level, and at buss level, and again at master buss.

compression does not scare me.
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Re:Squash! 2011/09/08 08:21:52 (permalink)
Thanks Hook, Bat, G_,

I was hoping Bat would chime, as I felt he has a great understanding of the art, especially for his invoking classic rock genres.

I always take to heart and mind your seasoned wisdom and sharing, and review and assimilate your excellent logic.

Hook: I seriously never thought of squashing the room mics, since they have the most bleed and ambience.  But, I, IIRC, that would "blend to taste", a serious small room verb to exploit with envelopes in sections and or give realistic drum sound fades, alternations, etc.

G_: I understand folk musicians may be scear'd to touch that dial -- ha ha!  Seriously, I can't stand ultra-compressed country music either; makes me want to crush the fireflies I've collected in the jelly jar.

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Off topic:

Interesting I can almost routinely predict who my techniques-forum chimers are vs. my song-forum chimers.  You 3 are almost always the 1st to chime in on my techniques and the last to chime in on my songs.  (LOL, I have no idea the true signification; but it may be inversely proportional to the square root of: why I myself avoid the CH-forum -- ha ha ha!)

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Re:Squash! 2011/09/08 10:52:52 (permalink)
WHAT HOOK IS SUGGESTING...

is really old school, in a way, and very effective.
classic example, 'when the levee breaks', recorded in a foyer of a large home, with mics up the stairwell picking up the high ceiling room, the kit below on (marble?) floors....
just a couple of mics, to pick up that whole thing, tweaked by compressors.
hell, he even added some delay to it!

so the idea is, be free with the ideas, and bold as well....
you can from super clean recording, to super sludgy..... all by design.

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Re:Squash! 2011/09/08 11:18:50 (permalink)
When The Levee Breaks.....done with a pair of Beyer Dynamic M-160's.

The same pair of mics I use for drum room mics. Still the same mic it was back then...design hasn't changed at all.

AMAZING mics.  Secret weapon revealed.  In fact, I have a Royer 121 that lives in the box since I bought the M-160's.  160's KILL in front of a guitar cab.

I dare you to put one in front of anything that makes noise and act like you can't use it in the mix.

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Re:Squash! 2011/09/08 11:47:26 (permalink)
+1 on the M-160. A truly great mic. Just don't drop it on the floor, it's not as rugged as it looks.

The only thing I routinely squash heavily are BGV's. IKM's Fairchild 670 has gotten a lot of use in that application.




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