New computer/old soundcards

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2011/09/06 16:05:44 (permalink)

New computer/old soundcards

I have been somewhat out of the loop DAW wise for the last couple of years, so I confess I'm still running Sonar 6 on an XP DAW that I built almost 5 years ago. I'm looking to upgrade to Win 7 and Sonar X1 and put together a DAW ( on a limited budget) and will be able to accommodate my old Frontier Design Dakota cards or my ancient Creamware Pulsar 1/Luna 2 cards for audio and a UAD 1. I believe each has Win 7 drivers that work. I was looking at hardware on the Newegg site and saw this bundle and wondered if this would be a good starting point. 1.ASUS P8Z68-V LE LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS (Model:P8Z68-V LE) 2. Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K (Model:BX80623I72600K) 3.CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9B (Model:CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9B) 4.SAPPHIRE 100289VGAL Radeon HD 5670 1GB DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card 5.Corsair Nova Series 2 CSSD-V60GB2 2.5" 60GB SATA II Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (Model:CSSD-V60GB2 6.Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (Model:ST31000524AS) 7.Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC "Compatible with Core i7,i5" Power Supply (Model:RG630-S12) Rosewill FUTURE Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case,come with Four Fans-2x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan,1x Top 120mm Fan,1x Rear 120mm Fan,Support up to 7 Fans (Model:FUTURE) Any thoughts, advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated Thanks Bill
post edited by BillyBoy - 2011/09/06 22:11:07
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    timidi
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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/06 16:25:10 (permalink)
    This is pretty unreadable. But, I'm sure the gurus will tell you you need a cpu cooler.

    I'm in the process of building a similiar set up. just search my name and see. 

    In particular, I'd look at the Gigabyte board (search) that was suggested to me. BTW, the ASUS install CD will install by default, Norton. That alone really Pissed me off.


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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/06 19:06:21 (permalink)
    "timidi"
    BTW, the ASUS install CD will install by default, Norton. That alone really Pissed me off.

    No tim, it doesn't. You got caught with the way they present their utilities installation dialog box. I almost got caught with it also, but didn't cause I took a closer look. Be careful the next time around and you'll see what I mean. Norton is evil, but Asus is no better when attempting to mislead you into installing it.
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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/06 20:16:58 (permalink)
    I almost got caught with it also, but didn't cause I took a closer look.





    I took a closer look. And, pondered. And, didn't come to the conclusion you did. I was nervous there would be no escaping Norton once I clicked. I installed each item one by one. 


    As I've said elsewhere, I want to start over. Can you tell me what is necassary (as far as drivers) for the MB stuff. Chipset, I know? And, should I forgo the CD and do direct from downloads? I tried to get all the latest drivers for everything but, because my surfing machine is a mac, I had some issues when downloading and transferring to USB stick for the new box. Somehow the files were tainted or something because they came from a mac. I think "zip" files work. But, the Mac auto-uncompresses zip files which I can't figure out how to stop the un-compressing. 

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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/06 22:16:52 (permalink)
    Thanks, I forgot about the cpu cooler. Sorry about the unreadableness of the original post. I've tried editing it twice, adding a new line for each item, but for some reason it will not post that way. Let me try it again. I have been somewhat out of the loop DAW wise for the last couple of years, so I confess I'm still running Sonar 6 on an XP DAW that I built almost 5 years ago. I'm looking to upgrade to Win 7 and Sonar X1 and put together a DAW ( on a limited budget) and will be able to accommodate my old Frontier Design Dakota cards or my ancient Creamware Pulsar 1/Luna 2 cards for audio and a UAD 1. I believe each has Win 7 drivers that work. I was looking at hardware on the Newegg site and saw this bundle and wondered if this would be a good starting point. 1.ASUS P8Z68-V LE LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS (Model:P8Z68-V LE) 2. Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K (Model:BX80623I72600K) 3.CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9B (Model:CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9B) 4.SAPPHIRE 100289VGAL Radeon HD 5670 1GB DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card 5.Corsair Nova Series 2 CSSD-V60GB2 2.5" 60GB SATA II Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (Model:CSSD-V60GB2 6.Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (Model:ST31000524AS) 7.Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC "Compatible with Core i7,i5" Power Supply (Model:RG630-S12) Rosewill FUTURE Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case,come with Four Fans-2x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan,1x Top 120mm Fan,1x Rear 120mm Fan,Support up to 7 Fans (Model:FUTURE) Any thoughts, advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated Thanks Bill
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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/06 22:19:51 (permalink)
    Sorry, this is embarrassing.
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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/06 22:27:33 (permalink)
    "timidi"
    I took a closer look. And, pondered. And, didn't come to the conclusion you did.

    When you launch the Asus support DVD, the first screen to popup is the screen of the 6th menu item "Specials" located on the menu bar, far right. Just don't click on the big "Install Now" button. Instead, click on the first menu item 'Drivers" located on the left.

    "timidi"  
    should I forgo the CD and do direct from downloads?

    Yes, if you're comfortable doing it this way, you are making sure you have the latest drivers. Have you sorted out your Mac issues?

    Note: Can't help you with the Mac stuff.

    "timidi"
    Can you tell me what is necassary (as far as drivers) for the MB stuff.

    What's the role of your new machine? Dedicated Daw? Will you need internet access? Wired or Wi-Fiiiiii? Are you going to  "raid" your high capacity mechanical drives? Onboard sound (alongside your pro soundcard)? As a rule of thumb,  only install the drivers for the components you will use/need.

    From the "Drivers" menu, I can recommend for example not to install:

    1] Norton Internet Security 2011 
    2] Marvell SATA 6G Driver (but you knew that already) 
    3] Realtek Audio Driver (onboard audio)
    4] Intel Graphics Accelerator driver (for the 2600k iGPU)


    From the "Utilities" menu, the following can also be skipped:

    1] Asus AI Suite (Asus windows bloatware, anything offered here can be accomplished in your UEFI bios)
    2] Adobe Reader 9 (old version)
    3] Disk Unlocker (for drives > 2TBs)

    Hope this will send you in the right direction... let me know.


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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/07 14:02:53 (permalink)
    I took a closer look. And, pondered. And, didn't come to the conclusion you did. I was nervous there would be no escaping Norton once I clicked. I installed each item one by one.

     
    FWIW, I wouldn't install drivers from the motherboard's CD.
    Those drivers are old...
     
    Download/install the latest drivers from the Asus site.

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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/07 18:12:32 (permalink)
    My guess is you are using firefox - the new version of FF does not work with this forum software :(

    It's a shame but IE and Chrome work fine.

    Cliff 

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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/07 20:49:32 (permalink)
    Billy Boy. Sorry I've sort of highjacked your thread. But, I have to go where I get attention:) Only thing I'd check on your MB is if you have enough sata 6gb/s controllers/slots for any 6gb/s drives . I screwed up on that one. And, I wouldn't get anything that says "green" in the name. Unless you're, well, green. 

    JC and Jim. Thanks. JC, I installed a few of those you mentioned. And, yes, I went over to the left and clicked each one separately, because of knowing how evil Norton is. I might start over tommorrow and refer to your list, I think the adobe reader is harmless enough though. Actually, the one on my old daw is like circa 2004 and it works. Adobe does tend to pontificate profusly though. Yes, I use wifi for moving files around. The Mac "issue" is workable. I have to get the zip files from the trash bin as OSX expands every zip you download:) 

    Jim, Thanks.

    Ok, so I look at the drivers on the web site, and see the dates. the chipset is like march 2011. Where do I look on the computer  in system to find "chipset" so I can see the date of the driver? Also  looked around on the computer at what looked to be important stuff, including 8 2600k cores, and a lot of stuff is old (2006).
     
    motherboard drivers:
    http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8P67/#download

    The only newer bios's I saw were beta.  So, I think I'm good with that. The Asus TPU thing is a joke.

    Thanks guys.

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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/08 13:10:03 (permalink)
    My apologies to BillyBoy also (the newer version of Firefox can't give you line breaks, which makes it very hard to read).

    timidi"
    Where do I look on the computer in system to find "chipset" so I can see the date of the driver?

    Excellent question. Here's a primer I think you'll find interesting:
  • Intel® Chipsets :: How to identify your Intel® Chipset
    And if you're not in the mood to get your hands dirty so to speak, you could try out this Intel utility:
  • Intel Driver Update Utility

    There's also "CPU-z" (free and x64), a windows utility which is a light-weight program listing detailed specs. about your system, available here:
  • CPU-z

    And to complete your utilities "toolbox" for maintaining and optimizing your Windows environment, I strongly suggest the following from SysInternals (also free and indispensable IMHO) which was purchased by Microsoft a few years ago:
  • Sysinternals System Information Utilities

    1] Autoruns
    2] Process Explorer
    3] Process Monitor
  • Sysinternals Networking Utilities

    1] TCPView
  • Sysinternals File and Disk Utilities

    1] DiskMon
    2] PageDefrag

    These SysInternal utilities (even though dated) are lightweight and very efficient at what they do. We can talk about when and how to use them... when you're ready to tackle that part of the process.

    jc
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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/08 18:18:08 (permalink)
    Thanks JC. That's quite a bit of info. I'll definately check out the Intel update utility. So far, the only internet this machine has touched has been Microsoft. I guess Intel would be OK as there appears to be no way to download the program (it's internet live I guess). CPU-z looks cool also.

    So, I'm just getting done with the MS updates after another clean install of Windows. I didn't use the CD this time. What a pain.
    I had to get another video card cause the other one was covering up the PCIe slots to much for the audio card to fit.
    got this:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161322  

    One thing I noticed is, there appears to not be a USB controller download except one for USB 3. 
    Do I need to install a separate USB controller driver? Things seem to be working. 

    post edited by timidi - 2011/09/08 18:19:44

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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/09 15:58:04 (permalink)
    "timidi"
    So, I'm just getting done with the MS updates after another clean install of Windows. I didn't use the CD this time. What a pain.

    At least with Windows 7, there ain't too many updates to deal with. I just finished rebuilding my brother-in-law's laptop with Vista. I kid you not, 2 service packs and over 350 individual updates. No fun at all, especially when MS's servers are slow. Without using the CD? You mean Asus'sss driver and utilities DVD?


    "timidi"
    I had to get another video card cause the other one was covering up the PCIe slots to much for the audio card to fit.

    It never ends. And that kind of case "real estate" problem is not easy to work around sometimes. The new one should be ok as long as it's rated for a 1 slot occupancy. I just took a look, and on a frontal view, the heat-sink does not exceed the width of the bracket. Looking good.


    "timidi"
    One thing I noticed is, there appears to not be a USB controller download except one for USB 3. Do I need to install a separate USB controller driver?

    Yes, and that's normal as USB 3.0 is not natively supported by the OS, so you will have to install that driver if you want to use it. Previous USB versions are, so there's no third party drivers to install.
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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/10 18:52:01 (permalink)
    Thanks JC.

    Yea, take a look at the frontal view on this card which was what I had:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161374


    Kind of deceiving in that it doesn't look like that at all. The heat sink is as big on both sides. Oh well, just gotta deal with another RMA. Good to know on the USB 3. 

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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/10 22:01:01 (permalink)
    Most computers will run X1 without problems. Especially the i7's. 

    I built a DAW (dedicated and off line) using XP as the OS with an i5 chip. I brought my old Saffire firewire along for the ride and it worked perfectly. 

    I'd thing that if the drivers are available, give the old sound stuff a chance. I would consider an upgrade to the newer USB external interfaces if you have any problems. A good one will make the recording process smooth and transparent.

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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/11 13:43:10 (permalink)
    Jim Roseberry



    I took a closer look. And, pondered. And, didn't come to the conclusion you did. I was nervous there would be no escaping Norton once I clicked. I installed each item one by one.

     
    FWIW, I wouldn't install drivers from the motherboard's CD.
    Those drivers are old...
     
    Download/install the latest drivers from the Asus site.


    You'd think that would be the case Jim, and with any other company you'd likely be right.

    Every driver that came with my Asus H67 board on the Driver CD was newer than what is available to download from the ASUS site.

    Make sure you double check the version numbers before installing.

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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/11 15:03:43 (permalink)
    Jonbouy


    Jim Roseberry



    I took a closer look. And, pondered. And, didn't come to the conclusion you did. I was nervous there would be no escaping Norton once I clicked. I installed each item one by one.


    FWIW, I wouldn't install drivers from the motherboard's CD.
    Those drivers are old...

    Download/install the latest drivers from the Asus site.


    You'd think that would be the case Jim, and with any other company you'd likely be right.

    Every driver that came with my Asus H67 board on the Driver CD was newer than what is available to download from the ASUS site.

    Make sure you double check the version numbers before installing.

    Well, that's interesting Jon. 
    Could you tell me where I find the version numbers of particular drivers on the cd?
    Did you install evrything under the 'drivers' tab on the cd?
    Thanks

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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/11 20:01:55 (permalink)
    I had to check the version numbers after installing the CD versions which were all newer than the on site ones, which I discovered post install by checking via device manager.

    I did install like you one by one from the CD so as not to install the bundled Norton nor the Realtek Audio driver which I had already disabled in the BIOS.

    No matter if you have installed the CD ones already as you can check for newer versions now via the Intel site, for your board and mine the generic drivers for the Chipset, SATA (if you are using anything other than IDE mode for you drives), on board sound (which I would imagine you have disabled in the BIOS by now), and LAN are the same as the ASUS ones.

    Your BIOS version on that board should be 1704, you should only be using the beta BIOS (1850) if you've an issue that ASUS support has directed you to use that particular BIOS for.




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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/12 22:12:59 (permalink)
    ooh,isn't it???
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    Re:New computer/old soundcards 2011/09/15 07:04:51 (permalink)
    Thanks jon. I went and got the 1704 bios. 

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