I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not...

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I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not...

I have Probook HP.  SonarX1. And great training videos from Groove 3.
Everything working until...
Time to record an AUDIO file.

I plugged  LINEOUTS on my keyboard, into the Behringer UCA202 LINE INs.
The sound (though slight delay) is heard in my PC just fine when I play my keyboard.

However, the AUDIO TRACK I have set up in SonarX1 will not read the sound. No meter response. (followed Groove3 instructions)

I must be so close...  --- How can I get SonarX1 to read the audio, thus record it? ---

Any assistance highly appreciated.

Tim

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    Beagle
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    Re:I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not... 2011/09/09 15:39:25 (permalink)
    do you have the drivers for the UCA202 from Behringers' website downloaded, unzipped and installed?
    do you have your driver mode set to ASIO?
    what are you setting for your AUDIO tracks' inputs?

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    Re:I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not... 2011/09/09 16:01:08 (permalink)
    Hello Beagle.
    Thanks.  
    OK, the Behinger is installed. It is now appearing on the SonarX1 meter for the AUDIO track.

    But no headphone. And it will not RECORD anything when I start the recording...

    I can hear the MIDI and SYNTH track that GROOVE3 had me do. But No Audio track recording.

    I switched to ASIO and now I hear nothing.

    Thank you for help. I know I must be so close to really enjoying this program.

    Tim

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    Re:I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not... 2011/09/09 16:22:21 (permalink)
    Let's follow the signal.

    You push a key on your keyboard (what kind?).

    The signal goes from there into the Behringer interface, where it is turned into digital audio.  I suppose there is a mixer app for it.  Bring that up and make sure the audio signal is coming out of the behringer and into the computer.

    The next step is to make sure SONAR is hearing it.  Audio>Options is where you choose which interface (including your ownboard soundcard) SONAR listens to.

    We'll assume this is all working correctly because you hear a signal from your computer.  Question - is it from the computer itself, or do you have the behringer outputting sound to a speaker?

    None of the above matters, except for general purposes.  You have been recording a midi signal, not audio. 

    "I can hear the MIDI and SYNTH track that GROOVE3 had me do."

    It sounds like you are recording a softsynth, not your keyboard.  Play the keyboard, which sends a midi signal to SONAR, where it triggers a softsynth.  This SONAR "track" has both audio and midi on it, but you are only recording the midi info.  The audio is output only from w/in SONAR itself.  If you play back the recording do you hear the audio?  You should.  If not, we need to back up.  If you do and want audio on the track like an acoustic recording, you need to "freeze" the track.  This will turn the midi on the softsynth into an audio recording.  Look up freeze track in the manual.  It should explain everything.

    Let us know how that works for you.

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    Re:I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not... 2011/09/09 16:49:51 (permalink)
    OK. 
    Keyboard I'm tapping a cowbell, and few other instruments.
    My default play for Windows7 is SPEAKERS with Behringer USB
    My default record for Windows7 is LINEIN Behringer USB. ITs properties are LISTEN through Default Playback Device.

    My headphones are plugged into the Behringer UCA202.

    The keyboard lineouts are plugged into the UCA202 Line Inputs.

    In my headphones I can hear the various sounds or notes I am playing on the keyboard. They arrive at a slight delay to the headphones.

    I open SONAR...
    I open a NEW PROJECT and name it test202.
    INPUT and OUTPUT drives are set to Behringer. 
    DRIVER SETTTINGS are both set to Behringer.
    DRIVER MODE is set to WDM/KS.

    I open an AUDIO TRACK.
    I set output to Behringer.
    The INPUT will not let me change is from NONE.

    I see no meter readings this time. (I just did reboot)

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    Re:I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not... 2011/09/09 17:10:16 (permalink)
    try to close any aplication that uses DirectX drivers (like Internet browser and media player).
    It could be a reason - Behringer (maybe) is not multidriver interface and maybe it doesn't allow to get the sound from and to ASIO aplication when DirectX is engaged.

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    Re:I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not... 2011/09/09 17:27:45 (permalink)
    I don't know if you are talking about window's audio, the behringer mixer app (if it has one) or SONAR's Option>Audio.  Im guessing you are looking at Window 7's audio, which has nothing to do w/ SONAR.

    Are you trying to listen to what is coming out of your music keyboard or a soft synth?  Is your keyboard a synth or just a controller?

    I know it is confusing at the begining, but having an understanding of signal flow is the first step.

    From SONAr any sound goes out through its mixer to the interface (and its separate mixer) to some kind of speaker or headphones.  It sounds like you are getting the keyboard sound through your headphones plugged into the behringer.  The sound is delayed because of latency - the time it takes for sound to get routed in and out of your interface and through SONAR.

    Under the SONAR taskbar of Options there is a drop down called Audio.  Click on this.  A box will pop up with 4 or 5 pages.  Each of these pages will need to be set to the behringer and the sample bit depth and driver mode need to be set.  Go over each page carefully.  There is a "latency" slider usually set in ms.  You can try moving this to get rid of the delay between pressing a key and hearing the sound, but if you move it too low you will get crackles and pops in your signal.

    I don't know the behringer unit but I bet it has an applet page that goes with it.  This will usually include a mixer for routing sounds in and out of the interface, sample rate and other things.  The settings need to match those in SONAr's.  For instance, you want input 1 and 2 on your box to go into SONAR's input 1 and 2.  Same with the output (sometimes called "main.").  The headphone is usually a repeat of main.

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    Re:I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not... 2011/09/09 18:02:12 (permalink)
    I have posted pictures of my settings here:

    http://timullen.com/sonar/

    Thanks again everyone. 

    Tim

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    Re:I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not... 2011/09/09 18:15:25 (permalink)
    screens look good.

    if you get a meter reading when you play on the keyboard but it's not recording, I would susptect that you have punch in recording on.  make sure you do not have punch in enabled.

    and if you don't hear anything, make sure you have your output enabled on the mixer.  do you see meters move on the mixer when you playback?

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    Re:I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not... 2011/09/09 18:43:37 (permalink)
    Ah ha.   I had pressed the RECORD button on the track and then hit the space bar.
    But if I press the RECORD button on the TOP PANEL it kicks in with the metronome and starts recording!

    whew... in my extreme tiredness I forgot that I had to push 'R' to start the recording, not the space bar.

    However, all the advice on hear made this work. It is just I got to this point with no sound. The 'punch in' triggered the answer.

    I still cannot hear the keyboard while playing EXCEPT directly from the keyboard. But good enough for now. The microphone plugs into the keyboard so I now have access to it also.

    I think this is worthy of a HUGE THANK YOU.  I can now continue my Groove3 videos.
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    forward...


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    Re:I'M SO CLOSE ... UCA202 Behringer... PC hears it, but SonarX1 does not... 2011/09/09 22:30:37 (permalink)
    you'd have to use the INPUT ECHO button to hear the keyboard's audio while recording.

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