Danny Danzi
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Interesting concept questions for X1
Hi guys, So I'm talking to a bud of mine on the phone tonight that recently purchased X1. We were going through all the cool options it has that 8.5 doesn't and he asks me a question which I had never heard of, but wanted to throw at you guys...especially if the bakers are reading or a few of you programmer types are reading. He asked if there was a program or something that could literally analyze all the tracks in your project, and have it present you with a chart of what instrument is on what track as well as how they are all panned. I thought that would be a pretty cool thing to see. Like for example... You run Sonar and you click this extra tool, it checks out your mix and gives you a pan field line or something and lists all your instruments and where they are panned so you can just look at this thing and see it all in front of you. Each time you add a track or whatever, it auto-updates when you open it again. Have any of you heard of anything like this that may be a plugin or a program of sorts? Would be cool to be in Sonar...especially for those that have huge track counts. I'd love to see Sonar have something like this as a part of the program. I make my own sheets for this and have a nice template, but I always have to manually fill the pan field numbers in. Would be nice to click and it knows what the deal is and shows it to me. One other thing since I have you here....I'm sure some of you have thought of this and talked about it, but do you think we'll ever have the capability to freeze busses? Is it even possible? I would think something like this would be useful as quite a few of us have as many busses as we do tracks these days. You have to have a pretty killer system to run loads of them, ya know? What are your thoughts about this? Anyone have pros or cons about it...and if any of the Bakers are reading, any chance of us seeing this if it's possible? -Danny
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/10 21:52:02
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Danny that idea has been a feature request of mine for a while now. The idea I had was to have a graphical summery of everything in a project and all its routing. All plugins all tracks all buses; how they all relate to one another, so a quick glance will allow one to see how the project is setup. Detail would be there and things could be modified too. Also it could be printed out. In a way the track view has this already but not in summery form. Think of Logic's environment but not so extensive. Lines would show connections. Flow would be from left to right and top down. Inserts for FX would be listed as inserts with the FX name. And so on.
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Danny Danzi
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/10 21:56:13
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I guess I need to jump in that request thing with you and get all my buds to join in as well, John. Maybe they need a few of us nagging at them. Sounds like your idea is the complete one...good thinking there! ;) How about the freeze busses thing, John? Would you have a use for that...is it even possible? -Danny
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/10 22:05:16
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Danny Danzi I guess I need to jump in that request thing with you and get all my buds to join in as well, John. Maybe they need a few of us nagging at them. Sounds like your idea is the complete one...good thinking there! ;) How about the freeze busses thing, John? Would you have a use for that...is it even possible? -Danny For me buses are a dynamic thing. If we think of a buss as a nonexistent thing but only virtual to allow for sends and returns plus grouping the need to freeze them escapes me. To me that is an export mix down of one type or another. I know one would perhaps want it for CPU resource control but I can't see a need for it. I wouldn't be opposed to it though. It would not interfere in the way I use buses now.
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/10 22:08:53
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The project summery idea is one that I think would be useful to many. I know some of my old projects are a little complicated and I have to take some time to figure out just what I did. Also it could be useful for diagnosing problems.
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/10 22:09:15
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Great idea Danny! I would love to have a visual of the instruments and panning location in front of me without revisting each track
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/10 23:21:43
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I've been wishing for reporting options since the first week I started using SONAR. Wouldn't it be great to get a report that graphically displays the whole routing scheme, with effect names, panning and volume/trim values? If CW were to just publish their project file structure, or even better, create an API to work with it, third-party developers would quickly fill the void. A DAW with an open architecture would, I think, have a huge competitive advantage in the marketplace.
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/10 23:43:33
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I like the 'grand view' concept. Wouldn't freezing busses though quickly become impractical? It would mean freezing all the tracks going through that buss wouldn't it? If not as soon as you made a change to a track feeding it the resulting output from the buss should change which if it was frozen it couldn't.
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/10 23:59:58
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FastBikerBoy I like the 'grand view' concept. Wouldn't freezing busses though quickly become impractical? It would mean freezing all the tracks going through that buss wouldn't it? If not as soon as you made a change to a track feeding it the resulting output from the buss should change which if it was frozen it couldn't. Thats in line with how I view buses. I tried to give the same idea above but you did a much better job of explaining it. Thats what was meant by buses being dynamic.
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/11 00:28:16
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FastBikerBoy Wouldn't freezing busses though quickly become impractical? It would mean freezing all the tracks going through that buss wouldn't it? The way I see it working is, it would work the same as exporting, only the resulting file would reside on the bus just like a wav resides on a track. Then the tracks linked to the bus would be archived. If any of the linked tracks would be un-archived a warning would come up and the bus and all associated tracks would be unfrozen/unarchived if you chose to continue.
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/11 12:34:33
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A flow chart is something so basic. Once that door is opened, the possibilities beome almost limitless. I have made many referrences to my desire for this over the years. And it should not only show every connection by name and it's place in the tree, it should also be printable. All effects should be in a patchable rack that could be patched from anywhere to anywhere by snipping or cutting a signal "cord" anywhere in the flow diagram. Oh my, how retro.
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/11 15:49:22
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and have it present you with a chart of what instrument is on what track as well as how they are all panned. Isn't that the same as minimising all your tracks in Track view - and making sure the panning widget is visible? That's how I do it. It won't show you if there are any panning envelopes overriding the tracks pan setting - but a report couldn't do that either.
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Re:Interesting concept questions for X1
2011/09/12 03:38:40
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>> If CW were to just publish their project file structure, or even better, create an API to work with it, third-party developers would quickly fill the void. <<.. .. this
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