Interleave - what does it really do?

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2011/09/11 08:18:36 (permalink)

Interleave - what does it really do?

Hi,
 
I always thought that interleave had to be set to stereo on tracks that contained stereo files until
yesterday when I was explaining some basics of X1 to a friend.
 
To my surprise I realized that it doesn't seem to make a difference on what we ear regardless of the settings of the interleave. I search the help but I haven't found an explanation on what it does.
 
So, what it the impact on a stereo track if it is set to mono?
 
 
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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 08:22:04 (permalink)
    Pan.

    Best
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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 09:30:22 (permalink)
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    Pan.
     
    I actually have no impact on the pan wheher or not it is set to stereo or mono on stereo or mono tracks (I have just tried to confirm this)
    But I finally found the right words to use to search the  file....daaaaah! and found that it seems to have an impact when softsynth and/or effects are used but as usual (the same is true for the majority of the help file from any company) the useful information (other than telling us the button is used to set to mono or stereo....daaaah!) on what it
    really does is nebulous.....at least for me.
     
    I can see it could be important when effects that are true stereo are used or when a mono only effect (compressor) is used on a stereo track but that's about it.
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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 09:37:11 (permalink)

    The stereo interleave button allows the contents of a mono track to return from any stereo effects inserted in the EFX bin as a stereo track.

    This allows stereo effects to be passed further as stereo.

    If you leave the interleave button as mono than any stereo effect that the mono track is treated with will be collapsed back to mono before being passed along to a bus.


    It is easy to hear the difference if you have a stereo effect patched up and switch between the two choices.


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    post edited by mike_mccue - 2011/09/11 09:38:51


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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 09:51:44 (permalink)
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    The stereo interleave button allows the contents of a mono track to return from any stereo effects inserted in the EFX bin as a stereo track.

    This allows stereo effects to be passed further as stereo.

    If you leave the interleave button as mono than any stereo effect that the mono track is treated with will be collapsed back to mono before being passed along to a bus.


    It is easy to hear the difference if you have a stereo effect patched up and switch between the two choices.


    best regards,
    mike
    Ya, that's how and why I'd normally use it but the OP's question was.


    So, what it the impact on a stereo track if it is set to mono?


    I think none as far as I can remember.

    I'll have to revisit that to confirm.
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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 09:57:07 (permalink)

    Well, you are a good reader Mr Bouy... I side stepped that question because I do not know the answer.

    ;-)

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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 10:04:54 (permalink)
    Oh yes, I see now... one answer is obvious.

    As you switch the interleave button the various pan laws will respond with respective changes in level which will effect the panning somewhat.

    So, in some regards, the results will depend on what pan law you are running.

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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 10:06:16 (permalink)
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    Well, you are a good reader Mr Bouy... I side stepped that question because I do not know the answer.

    ;-)

    best regards,
    mike


    I don't know the answer for sure either as I'd be using a single channel mono file at the track stage if mono output was the requirement.

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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 10:36:05 (permalink)
    mario

    I always thought that interleave had to be set to stereo on tracks that contained stereo files until
    yesterday when I was explaining some basics of X1 to a friend.
     
    To my surprise I realized that it doesn't seem to make a difference on what we ear regardless of the settings of the interleave. I search the help but I haven't found an explanation on what it does.
     
    So, what it the impact on a stereo track if it is set to mono?
    If you have a 'Stereo' track and change Interleave to 'Mono', the output of your 'Stereo' track will now be in 'Mono'. What probably happened was, you probably recorded a mono input such as a guitar, in stereo (which is the default Input setting) and therefor heard no difference when you changed your interleave setting.

    Now, keep in mind, if you throw Guitar Rig on the track and your Interleave setting is still set to Mono ... Guitar Rig will be in Mono. Interleave effects the output of FX in the FX Bin. This was never a big deal in previous versions of Sonar because Interleave and Phase were right on the track header and you could see and easily change it. Now it's hidden in the Inspector and is easily forgotten about.

    Also, Sonar changes Interleave automatically depending on what you set your Input Source to. And again, this was no big deal when Interleave was right next to the Input Source drop down box on the track because you could see Interleave change to mono and you could quickly put it back to Stereo. You can't do that now with it hidden ...

    Go ahead and try it. Load up a new project, make sure the Inspector is not collapsed and Interleave is visible, then change a tracks Input setting. You'll see Interleave change on it's own.

    Pan is not effected in any way by 'Interleave'.
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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 11:13:40 (permalink)
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    mario

    I always thought that interleave had to be set to stereo on tracks that contained stereo files until
    yesterday when I was explaining some basics of X1 to a friend.

    To my surprise I realized that it doesn't seem to make a difference on what we ear regardless of the settings of the interleave. I search the help but I haven't found an explanation on what it does.

    So, what it the impact on a stereo track if it is set to mono?
    If you have a 'Stereo' track and change Interleave to 'Mono', the output of your 'Stereo' track will now be in 'Mono'. What probably happened was, you probably recorded a mono input such as a guitar, in stereo (which is the default Input setting) and therefor heard no difference when you changed your interleave setting.

    Now, keep in mind, if you throw Guitar Rig on the track and your Interleave setting is still set to Mono ... Guitar Rig will be in Mono. Interleave effects the output of FX in the FX Bin. This was never a big deal in previous versions of Sonar because Interleave and Phase were right on the track header and you could see and easily change it. Now it's hidden in the Inspector and is easily forgotten about.

    Also, Sonar changes Interleave automatically depending on what you set your Input Source to. And again, this was no big deal when Interleave was right next to the Input Source drop down box on the track because you could see Interleave change to mono and you could quickly put it back to Stereo. You can't do that now with it hidden ...

    Go ahead and try it. Load up a new project, make sure the Inspector is not collapsed and Interleave is visible, then change a tracks Input setting. You'll see Interleave change on it's own.

    Pan is not effected in any way by 'Interleave'.
     
    Bub,
     
    When I finally found the right place in the help files I finally understood what
    you've just mentionned; it matters if you have stuff (softsynth, effects) in the
    FX bin.
     
    Now, when you mentionned that leaving interleave to mono on a stereo file do
    you know if the mono output is the sum of the Left and Right channel or does it focus on the left channel only?
     
    I mention the left channels because all my guitar toys that have  stereo output
    suggest that you use the left output when using them in mono.
     
    Note: and yes it is a little annoying that you no longer see the button in the track
              view unless you have the inspector visible.
     

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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 11:28:20 (permalink)
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    Bub,
     
    Now, when you mentionned that leaving interleave to mono on a stereo file do
    you know if the mono output is the sum of the Left and Right channel or does it focus on the left channel only?
    It is the sum of the left and right channel.

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    Re:Interleave - what does it really do? 2011/09/11 23:31:13 (permalink)
    Merci Bub,
     
    It makes sense now.
     
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