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Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
feel free to add more to the list. They all got the hanging notes bug and so are virtually useless to their owners. Cyph
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/13 03:10:56
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I own Alchemy and Razor and have the same hanging-note-bug, a potential showstopper, because Alchemy is so cool (and expensive). The hanging-not-bug has not appeared with Absynth though. Talking about your mentioned soft synths btw, have you noticed the split-second-stop-bug when you click on a parameter for automation for the first time during record/playback when write is enabled (right upper corner). The parameter stutters for a split second, like the transport bar (after which a stuttered envelope appears). Second touching of the parameters and all's OK.
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/13 03:30:15
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Happens in Alchemy here as well. I asked the camel audio guys recently and they said they are looking to try and fix it by v1.30, they also said they were finding it hard to get the required information from Cakewalk.
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/14 14:01:29
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I agree. Tone2 fixed that bug themselves with a workaround but they did get no help from cakewalk at all, or iirc six months later or so..
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/14 14:33:12
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I've had a few notes hang in X1... learn where the "kill switch" is at so you can hit it. A possible work around until the bugs get worked out is to freeze the synth when you're not working on recording or editing the midi source track. It's a simple matter to freeze and unfreeze the synth. When frozen, the midi is rendered to audio so no hung notes can happen.
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/14 21:55:54
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Oh for gods sake? How many threads? An assload of us reported it. And suggested it. And went through every channel to try and right it. Black hole. It's only Native Instruments and Alchemy. Do I have to buy a ****ing keyboard to mute notes in this ****ing wankfest you call software.
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/14 22:01:46
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get worked out is to freeze the synth when you're not working on recording or editing the midi source track. It's a simple matter to freeze Guitarhacker I've had a few notes hang in X1... learn where the "kill switch" is at so you can hit it. A possible work around until the bugs get worked out is to freeze the synth when you're not working on recording or editing the midi source track. It's a simple matter to freeze and unfreeze the synth. When frozen, the midi is rendered to audio so no hung notes can happen. This is unworkable for people like me who mouse in the notes. I have to playback a passage to see if I even have the right notes etc. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR click...click...kill audio. mouse mouse play DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Worst thing I ever did was upgrade. I am a newb, but I like to get things working, I presume everything is user error so I have spent so much time on this it's not even funny. I keep coming back. I paid the money. I see the upgrade, and here I am complaining like a sad bastard for the upteenth time.
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/15 02:34:42
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Yeah this has been discussed a few times. Razor is one of the best soft synths going imo and it's pretty much unusable for me b/c of this issue. A friend of mine who uses Cubase is using it all the time and loving it. Always brags about it and tells me I need to start using it but the hanging notes are just too much. Honestly, never thought I'd say it, but I'm really starting to think that maybe my time w/ Sonar has run it's course. Just getting a bit tired of these type of issues.
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thefyn
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/27 15:33:02
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So what DAW do people recommend where I can use Razor etc?
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/27 16:31:12
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NI issues here sonar X1B ....... I freeze their asssssssssssss Aslo the on off power switch in the reaktor helps ...
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/28 09:14:28
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Zo NI issues here sonar X1B ....... I freeze their asssssssssssss Aslo the on off power switch in the reaktor helps ... How do I freeze before it is written? Mousing in notes then playing them back to see how it sounds is part of my process. It's so annoying.
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/28 11:24:20
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thefyn So what DAW do people recommend where I can use Razor etc? Any other audio software on the market that supports VST. Honestly man Sonar is the only DAW with hanging notes with synths that I know about.
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/28 20:41:04
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Hey there peoples, I understand your frustrations, but to my knowledge this isn't really a problem with Sonar, but rather with the synths - that's why it only affects a few synths. The problem as I understand it, is that those synths don't obey the MIDI "All Notes Off" message. Google it and look it up in the MID specs - so I would think that Midi-Synth makers should be able to find this information and fix the problem easily. Check out http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php and for a simple explanation that outlines all the caveats see http://home.roadrunner.co...ch/midispec/ntnoff.htm So even when the "All Notes Off" is used, you may still need to watch out for sustain (cc 64) and Omni mode. If you have a synth where stuck notes bother you, you should log a problem report with the maker of that synth about "Not responding to the "All Notes Off" channel message. Please do log problem / bug reports with the synth makers, that's the only way those synths will get fixed. Meanwhile - here's something I found which may help you out. I haven't tried it myself, I don't really get bothered too much by stuck notes. Hope this helps - let us know if you try it out. Midi Stuck Note Killer Plugin. http://thepiz.org/xt/midiStuckNoteKiller.zip Found the reference here: http://forum.cockos.com/a...index.php/t-23592.html Cheers - Cliff
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/30 13:10:51
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Cliff. Why do you not get note hangs on other DAWS?
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/30 13:12:05
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What is great, is that I can't get a refund for Razor.
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Re:Synths not working in X1C: Alchemy, TAL Noizemaker, NI's Razor
2011/09/30 14:57:34
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Same issue here with X1c and Razor and hanging notes. Other interesting thing with Razor is that I will come back to a song at a later date and the track with Razor will not play a thing. I go in to Razor and reload the patch and the part shows up again.
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