z3ta multisounds in 1 track?

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2011/09/13 20:52:26 (permalink)

z3ta multisounds in 1 track?

I have been trying to figure out how to record more then 1 bank seting on a single zt3a softsynth . becase right now in all my songs i have to use 10-20 traks just to get all the sounds i am looking for. and it puts a stres on my memory, so i was figuring there has got to be a way to change the banks on just a track or 2 thanks snoots
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    Re:z3ta multisounds in 1 track? 2011/09/13 22:49:01 (permalink)
    Try freeze - that is what I usually do for soft synths.

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    Re:z3ta multisounds in 1 track? 2011/09/13 23:54:21 (permalink)
    what do you mean I am not familuar with freze please if you could give me a little moor details!! thanks you snoots.
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    Re:z3ta multisounds in 1 track? 2011/09/14 01:34:37 (permalink)
    Freezing a synth bounces it to an audio track, thus releasing memory and cpu.  If you need to make a change to the synth you can unfreeze it w/ a single click. 

    Right click on the track and choose freeze from the drop down menu.

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    Re:z3ta multisounds in 1 track? 2011/09/14 17:59:23 (permalink)
    thanks i will try that!!!
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    Re:z3ta multisounds in 1 track? 2011/09/15 05:19:52 (permalink)
    ok so i tryed freze and its prty  cool!!! lol but it as soon as it bounces the auido, it wont make sound from the midi controler unless you unfreze it, what i am trying to do is use multiple banks on just 1 track, to get differnt sounds from the same soft synth with out haveing to load the same soft synt up to use a diffent bank
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    Re:z3ta multisounds in 1 track? 2011/09/15 05:51:56 (permalink)
      Ok - I see what you are trying to do. I think you are used to a hardware synth, where the sounds can be changed by just clicking a button. In hardware the click of this button switches to another hardware memory bank, and this works almost instantly. 

    Sadly - as a result of the way (most) software synths are working this is not that easy. When using a single channel synth, you have to load a bank each time you want to change a sound. This can create a lag of several miliseconds to sometimes 3 seconds or more. In practice this is unusable. So - a synth that can only load one bank at a time is not usable for what you are trying to do.

    To compensate for this there are software synths that can load several banks at the same time. This are multi-channel synths (Proteus VX is a free one, and TTS1 is also another one). You can use this synths to generate several sounds at the same time, without putting too much strain on your memory and your system because all banks are already loaded (well - as long as the banks are not too big that is). As the synth has several inputs, you have to set up several midi channels. Switching a sound than becomes just as easy as switching a MIDI channel.

    With the above solution you only have one synth running, that is not putting too much stress on your system. In the case of Proteus VX (which is a multi-timbral synth), you can even use several output channels - so you can process each "sound" on its own channel.   
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    Re:z3ta multisounds in 1 track? 2011/09/15 14:43:06 (permalink)
    ok thanks, sort of a bummer though becase i just want to use zt3a on 1 trak and have 1 bank for the chorus and then anouther bank for the verse, and so on!! its to bad there aint a way to do it becase  haveing a bank with the chours and anouther bank for the verse ends up being 4 traks when it could be 1, and then if theres moor synth stuff you get into 10 traks, and even if you bounced them then you subtrack it too 5 traks, but then thers 8 traks for drums, and so on, any ways i will just simplify it to bouncing the synths until i find a better way!!! thanks for your input guys
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    Re:z3ta multisounds in 1 track? 2011/09/15 17:49:58 (permalink)
    Zeta or any monotimbral synth isn't made for what you want to do.  Rapt and DimPro can have 6 or 4 voices where you can jury rig what you want to do, but no, most softsynths won't change programs in the middle of a song.  You either have to have the programs lined up on differnet midichannels or have another instance of the softsynth.  If I was in your situation I'd simply use layers and freeze the synth lines.

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    Re:z3ta multisounds in 1 track? 2011/09/16 15:44:30 (permalink)
    ok thanks man thats what ill be doin is freszing and then deleting the bank that i froze it from , so at least thats half the traks gone with the sounds i want I can manage that no prob!!)
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