MIDI Recording help.

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2011/09/16 01:09:34 (permalink)

MIDI Recording help.

Creator 5. I can not for the life of me figure out how to do this or find it on the web. Trying to record from a Casio CTK5000 to cakewalk. First off, I am trying to transfer through a USB (Correct way?). Well, I can not play the keyboard and record other than using the pcs microphone. When I try to change the input, I can only select from the microphone. I know the keyboard is connected because I choose it in MIDI devices. I have tryed messing with channels, and honestly tried just about all I could think of. Haha, Ive actually been trying to figure this out for a few days and it is starting to getting annoying. Does anyone have any suggestions? Sry, I am a noob at this so.... Thank you
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    Re:MIDI Recording help. 2011/09/16 07:53:23 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum..... the place to get educated, ridiculed, or whatever.... 


    With a bit of humor and patience you can learn what you need to get started. 


    Even though the name is "Calkewalk" at times... it is not a cakewalk to learn. But, it's doable. 




    Midi is data and using a USB direct to the computer/Casio is fine. Once connected the Casio should show up in MC as an input device in the midi options. 


    Select it.   Use the insert a synth command and choose a synth then for input , select the casio. Be sure the casio is transmitting on the same channel as the track is receiving.  Set up the synth you just inserted to make sound by choosing a sample. You can generally click on the on-screen keyboard and hear sound. Then try the casio. 


    Let us know how that works. 


    Oh yeah... I have some info on my website that applies to MC in general. It is designed to take you step by step in setting up a synth (TTS) manually so you can understand the process in simple terms. Replace the sound card I am using (Saffire Focusrite) with the card you are using and it will work for you. 
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    Re:MIDI Recording help. 2011/09/16 11:04:24 (permalink)
    Welcome.
    Are you using a MIDI track? The mic input would show up in an audio track.
    Set the input of the MIDI track to [USB Device] MIDI Omni, unless you know that the Casio is transmitting on a specific channel, in which case you select that input channel.
    Set the output to the [USB Device] and select a channel and patch (instrument sound) in order to hear the sound through the Casio.
    I typically don't recommend using soft synths if you're using a MIDI keyboard with it's own sounds and a stock computer sound card while recording. The latency (delay in processing the sound) will be horrible. Once a track is complete, you can mess around with the soft synths on playback.
    To use soft synths in real time while recording and hear the sound without latency would require an audio interface that's designed for low latency.

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    Re:MIDI Recording help. 2011/09/16 13:53:55 (permalink)
    57Gregy
    "Are you using a MIDI track? The mic input would show up in an audio track. "
     
     
    Haha, I feel stupid, but I finnally got it to record how I wanted after searching for so long. Thankyou...Now I can mess around with it :)   
     
    I see a lot of posts about sound cards. Is a HD Audio Device from microsoft decent compared to others?
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    Re:MIDI Recording help. 2011/09/16 14:14:28 (permalink)
    Probably not. Is it the factory card or a gamer upgrade? If so.... NO!

    To do recording right you need a music specific card. Beagle has a bunch on his web site to guide the decision making....or ask what we're using. 

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    Re:MIDI Recording help. 2011/09/16 15:25:51 (permalink)
    no, like guitarhacker says, the HD Audio device is not good - that's just an onboard soundcard.  check my website in my signature for soundcard recommendations and help deciding which is best for you.

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    Re:MIDI Recording help. 2011/09/17 01:02:28 (permalink)
    Awesome website beagle. Thanks for the link
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    Re:MIDI Recording help. 2011/09/17 02:19:26 (permalink)
    I have been recording and playing back through my keyboard and it works well. I can not figure out how to playback from the soundcard (yes it is factory, and plan to get a better one eventually). Ive scrolled through all the tabs but can not find it. Output only seems to pick up the Casio. Also, is there a way to playback multiple tones? I know my casio can playback up to 6 simultaneously (tryin to figure that out as well, haha). MC is only playing back tones. It also will not playback if I save then restart, and try to replay. I have been trying to look it up, and have read through most of beagles site, though I could have missed something, I am a bit tipsy atm =P. Sorry, I am new at this, and there is a ton to learn.
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    Re:MIDI Recording help. 2011/09/17 08:54:18 (permalink)
    first, you're welcome and thanks about the website!

    2nd - if you're playing thru the keyboard then you're playing a MIDI track, not audio, so the soundcard is not going to show up as an option for output for a MIDI track because MIDI has to have a synth to be played.  the soundcard is not a synth.  but in order to get sound out of the computer speakers when playing MIDI, you need to use a softsynth instead of the casio hardware synth.

    MC5 comes with some pretty decent softsynths.  the soundcenter is quite good.  but I suggest you start learning on TTS-1 since it's a GM softsynth and that makes it easy to learn.  open the help files in MC5 and click on the GETTING STARTED and there are tutorials there to work thru.  Tutorials 4 & 5 specifically teach you how to use softsynths.

    also, guitarhacker's website has "laymans terms" on how to use softsynhts. 

    once you've learned how to use TTS-1, start trying to use the soundcenter because it's much better sounds in it.

    also, for drums you can use SI Drums.  tha'ts another softsynth that comes with MC5 and they're pretty decent for drums.

    come back and ask questions if you have problems.

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    Re:MIDI Recording help. 2011/09/17 11:23:51 (permalink)
    And you should be able to send 16 MIDI tracks to the Casio with different patches for each, as long as each MIDI track uses a different output channel. Channel 10 is reserved for drums in the General MIDI standard, but you can have drums on any channel.
    You can also send 16 MIDI tracks to 1 instance of TTS-1, different channels, but if you want to use Sound Center for your sounds, you'll have to insert a new SC for each MIDI track.

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