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2011/09/16 15:55:54 (permalink)

vst plugin

Hi X1 users, I'm useind 8-5pro at the moment and have just upgraded to 64bit win7, but I can't use komplete 6 as vst plugin when in sonar 8-5, would I benefit by upgradeing to X1 producer, does X1 have the same thing or has it been resolved ??
 
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    Re:vst plugin 2011/09/16 16:06:25 (permalink)
    your a tad too vague, what plugin exactly and are your running the latest version of that plugin.. if not then thats a good starting point.  (check using NI service centre)
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    Re:vst plugin 2011/09/16 17:04:08 (permalink)
    non of the NI komplete 6 softsynths are available as plugin's , I have updated via NI service centre , they are ok as stand alone but not as vst plugin's in sonar 8-5 
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    Re:vst plugin 2011/09/16 17:14:03 (permalink)
    It could be they are installed in a folder not being scanned be Sonar.

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    Re:vst plugin 2011/09/16 17:47:34 (permalink)
    Even after you've scanned your VST plugins, you still have to make sure that the plugins appear in your Plug-In Layout, if you're not using the default layout.

    Do you see your NI stuff showing up in the Plug-In Manager utility?

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    Re:vst plugin 2011/09/17 03:32:20 (permalink)
    no, none of the Ni synths show on manager
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    Re:vst plugin 2011/09/17 03:40:51 (permalink)
    In KOMPLETE 6 many of those synths are still 32 bit
    You need to make sure that SONAR is scanning the VST folder where these are installed.

    I'll copy my VST folder layour document and you can pick out of it anything that might help;

    Most DAWS insist on their own location for plugins by default. Fortunately SONAR allows you to be very flexible in where you put plugins BUT there are some reasons behind the default locations.
    Windows (x64) itself seperates 32 bit and 64 bit programs into different folders as follows.
    64 bit programs by default go into C:\Program Files - while
    32 bit programs by default go into C:\Program Files(x86)
    I decided to stick with SONAR's default locations but I also understand that there are some weird things that happen because plugins themselves don't always conform to a standard of behavior let alone standard installation locations.
    I've chosen to do the following. You can apply the principles but use a different folder structure if you prefer.
     
    Depending on how many 3rd party plugins you might have and how co-operative they are you may find the following useful. If it doesn't apply to you feel free to ignore it or use only any bits useful to you.
    Having both the 32 and 64 bit versions of SONAR on the same computer doesn't of itself cause any problems. Many of us run multiple version in both 32 and 64 bit without problem.
    Problems can however occur when you tell SONAR to scan for VST plugins. when running 64 bit SONAR there may be 32 bit plugins that you want to run because a 64 bit version doesn't exist yet. That means having to scan the location where those 32 bit plugins are as well.
    That's not a problem either except that when using 32 and 64 bit versions of SONAR you may want both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions of a particular plugin so each program can make use of it. The rub is that some plugins don't behave and you end up with both the 32 bit and 64 bit version being scanned by SONAR's VST Scanner and you have 2 of that plugin appear in each version of the Plugin manager ie the 32 bit and 64 bit Plugin manager. That's right; there is a Plugin manager in both the 32 and 64 bit installations of SONAR.
     
    To get around all that I have my system setup as follows.
     
    I have an additional folder just for 32 bit (x86) plugins for those where the manufacturer wants to always install both a 32 and 64 bit version. When it works properly then the 64 bit VST scanner doesn't load the 32 bit version but when it doesn't work properly it means I end up having 2 of the same plugin where the 32 bit one is also running through  Bitbridge. For those plugins only I use the 3rd folder. Working out which plugins don't cooperate has to be worked out by trial and error.
    1. Program files\Cakewalk\Vst Plugins\Manufacturer\plugin
    All 64 bit Plugins
    2. Program files (x86)\Cakewalk\Vst Plugins\Manufacturer\plugin
    All 32 bit plugins you want to run in x64 because no native 64bit version exists.
    3. Program files (x86)\Cakewalk\VST Plugins(x86)\ Manufacturer\plugin
    All 32 bit plugins for which you already have 64 bit versions and the VST scanner insists on installing the 32 bit version as well under bitbridge giving you 2 copies of the same plugin in SONAR's Plugin manager.
    SONAR x64 scans 1 & 2
    SONAR x86 scans 2 & 3
    Apart from folder 3 the others are all default locations if you allow SONAR to just perform it's normal installation.
     

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    Re:vst plugin 2011/09/17 09:30:50 (permalink)
    thanks Mike, i'll give it a try 1
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    Re:vst plugin 2011/09/17 10:04:11 (permalink)
    THe K-6 synths need to be updated to 64 bit if you run W7/64. 

    I believe you can open and run W7 in a 32 bit compatibility mode and everything will work. 

    I have K6 and some time back I was sent the links to update to 64 bit K6. 

    You also have to be sure they are in the scan list for Sonar.  You can run them as stand alone from the Icons but to have them show up as a VST plug in they must have been scanned by the plug in manager. 

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