rmfluzon
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 107
- Joined: 2003/12/17 14:44:18
- Location: Austin, TX
- Status: offline
Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
In X1 Producer, I've had an occasional issue with recorded audio being 1 measure late after the take. The clip is inserted at the right point in the timeline but there is just mysteriously 1 measure of silence added at the beginning. I just had it happen again using X1c update. It's an easy fix to just trim the beginning and move the clip, but it's a little annoying anyway. Anyone else have this? Is there something specific that might cause this? Bug? User error?
|
Rimshot
Max Output Level: -29 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4625
- Joined: 2010/12/09 12:51:08
- Location: California
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/19 19:54:37
(permalink)
Hi Robert, Same thing happened to me using X1c doing a vocal take. Upon playback, the audio was completely out of sync with the track. That never happened to me before in any Cakewalk software. I deleted the track and recorded again and it was fine. I have not had the problem since then. I felt it was some kind of memory issue. I always disable my anti-virus and internet connections first before I launch X1c. If it happens again, I will report it. Rimshot
Rimshot Sonar Platinum 64 (Lifer), Studio One V3.5, Notion 6, Steinberg UR44, Zoom R24, Purrrfect Audio Pro Studio DAW (Case: Silent Mid Tower, Power Supply: 600w quiet, Haswell CPU: i7 4790k @ 4.4GHz (8 threads), RAM: 16GB DDR3/1600 , OS drive: 1TB HD, Audio drive: 1TB HD), Windows 10 x64 Anniversary, Equator D5 monitors, Faderport, FP8, Akai MPK261
|
Guitarhacker
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 24398
- Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
- Location: NC
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/19 20:17:20
(permalink)
That happens to me from time to time... usually only on a first take. It pays to watch the timeline and wave because you will see it being written late. Just stop and start again. solved.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
|
rmfluzon
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 107
- Joined: 2003/12/17 14:44:18
- Location: Austin, TX
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/20 16:21:29
(permalink)
Hmm, can't get message quoting to work. Anyway, GH, yeah the write preview wave is in sync while recording, but after hitting stop, when the clip is inserted there is an extra measure of silence at the beginning. It's apparently actually written in the file because I tried inserting it using import>audio and it was the same. And usually a new take is fine, but yesterday it happened a few times in a row. I closed and restarted Sonar and it was OK. And again, each time this has happened to me it's been exactly one measure of extra silence, so if I don't feel like doing another take I've just trimmed and moved the clip. I guess when I get some time to screw around with it I'll see if I can get something more consistently reproducible to report to CW. EDIT: Something's wonky with the forum here. Quoting isn't working for me, preview of my posts doesn't work, line breaks aren't formatting correctly. Hmmm
post edited by rmfluzon - 2011/09/20 16:29:40
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/20 17:11:38
(permalink)
This seems to happen only on some systems, and there's a tie in with metronome count-in. It won't happen if count-in is disabled, though that may not be possible if a recording has to start at 1:01:000. Switching from WDM to ASIO driver mode of vice versa might help. There's also an option in AUD.INI (accessible through Preferences > Audio > Configuration FIle) to UseHardwareSamplePosition that might have a bearing if you're using ASIO. I think it's "True" by default. Disabling/enabling the metronome may help clear the problem if it's intermittent. P.S. Firefox doesn't work properly with the forum software, and I've had hangs with IE9. Chrome seems to work best, but reply formatting can still be flaky.
post edited by brundlefly - 2011/09/20 17:14:12
SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424 (24-bit, 48kHz) Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
|
rmfluzon
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 107
- Joined: 2003/12/17 14:44:18
- Location: Austin, TX
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/20 17:23:30
(permalink)
Thanks for the info. I'll try disabling the metronome count-in, which I generally don't need, I just forget to disable it in new projects sometimes. Also, I was kind of suspecting something related to my audio interface/drivers (Line6 Toneport UX2)because it seemed like it happened right after I adjusted the buffer size in the Line6 control panel. Anyway thanks a bunch for the suggestions.
|
groovey1
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 288
- Joined: 2008/09/30 20:00:28
- Location: W. Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/20 17:34:48
(permalink)
I've also seen this happen a couple of times. No idea what was different about that particular take. Never had it happen on 2 takes in a row.
|
rokadavis
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 18
- Joined: 2011/09/17 17:37:05
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/20 17:49:14
(permalink)
this used to happen to me in a different DAW, and its a real pain!!!
|
MorganT
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 252
- Joined: 2011/03/17 11:33:16
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/22 14:18:24
(permalink)
I had it happen a LOT with the last version of Sonar I had (8.5) but have not with X1. But then I also switched to ASIO driver mode at that point and had been using WMD before. Not sure if that's related or not...
|
mmarton
Max Output Level: -77 dBFS
- Total Posts : 666
- Joined: 2006/01/26 13:23:30
- Location: White Rock, B.C. Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/22 14:45:57
(permalink)
If you are using the audio metronome to count in before recording on the first measure, all audio will be offset by 1 measure (or however measures you're counting in). This bug is still here after countless versions of Sonar. I actually can't believe it...
Happy Sonar Platinum 64 bit Registered Owner Epi Casino, Les Paul, Strat, Martin GPCPA3, Cort C4Z bass, Roland D20 Synth, TC Konnekt48, Sansamp BDDI, Roland JDXI, APS Klasiks, Windows 10 64bit
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/22 16:31:32
(permalink)
If everyone who can reproduce it with any consistency would bug it and/or contact support, it might get fixed. I've personally never seen it happen, so it must be some sort of interoperability problem with certain audio drivers.
SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424 (24-bit, 48kHz) Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
|
rmfluzon
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 107
- Joined: 2003/12/17 14:44:18
- Location: Austin, TX
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/22 16:37:06
(permalink)
Well, I haven't ever reproduced it with consistency, although I am sure that this last time I was indeed recording starting at measure 1 with a 1 measure audio metronome count-in. However, after closing and restarting Sonar, it didn't happen. I'll try it again and see if there's any other factor that might make it consistently reproducible.
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/22 16:41:42
(permalink)
Have you tried switching the driver mode? Which mode are you using now?
SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424 (24-bit, 48kHz) Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
|
rmfluzon
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 107
- Joined: 2003/12/17 14:44:18
- Location: Austin, TX
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/22 17:16:00
(permalink)
I'm using ASIO, but if I remember correctly, it's the only mode on my Line6 Toneport that exposes both input pairs, with WDM I only have one stereo input, not sure why that is.
|
fwrend
Max Output Level: -76 dBFS
- Total Posts : 709
- Joined: 2006/09/19 16:02:52
- Location: Garden City, KS
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/22 17:40:44
(permalink)
This happened to me last week on my office DAW (Win7 64bit with X1c). It's not consistent as I have tried a couple of times since reading this post and it is not doing it. I have a Metronome project I use for making click tracks which consists of an 8 bar MIDI file and one instance of TTS-1. Once I have the required meter & tempo set, I do a VO of the first two bars on an audio track. I am almost sure the first time it happened I saw the wave file while recording but when I stopped and it printed, it was moved 1 bar forward. It happened a second time and I had setup punch-in points for those two bars. Ended up having one bar of office noise and the first bar of VO? I'll try to pay closer attention to the circumstances next time and try again to duplicate it. However, once I stopped and re-recorded, it alligned correctly. EDIT: also using ASIO with an M-Audio 192
post edited by fwrend - 2011/09/22 17:42:04
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/22 18:46:41
(permalink)
with WDM I only have one stereo input, not sure why that is. Same problem with the x64 WDM driver for my E-MU 1820m. I suspect some interface vendors are not working as hard to get their WDM drivers right for x64 as they are the ASIO drivers.
SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424 (24-bit, 48kHz) Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
|
mmarton
Max Output Level: -77 dBFS
- Total Posts : 666
- Joined: 2006/01/26 13:23:30
- Location: White Rock, B.C. Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Recorded audio misaligned by 1 measure
2011/09/23 12:24:15
(permalink)
brundlefly If everyone who can reproduce it with any consistency would bug it and/or contact support, it might get fixed. I've personally never seen it happen, so it must be some sort of interoperability problem with certain audio drivers. I submitted an official bug report and even received a reply from Cakewalk saying they'd received it and were able to reproduce the error. That was V7 or 8, not sure. They know about it...
Happy Sonar Platinum 64 bit Registered Owner Epi Casino, Les Paul, Strat, Martin GPCPA3, Cort C4Z bass, Roland D20 Synth, TC Konnekt48, Sansamp BDDI, Roland JDXI, APS Klasiks, Windows 10 64bit
|