Process - Remove Silence

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2011/09/20 12:18:22 (permalink)

Process - Remove Silence

I'm trying to remove some hiss from clips using Remove Silence, I've tried different settings but it doesn't seem to do anything.  Anyone have any luck using this feature?
post edited by CarvinAbuser - 2011/09/20 12:19:27
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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 12:27:52 (permalink)
    you could try using a gate or manually removing with slip-edit then applying trim.
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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 14:15:49 (permalink)
    Hiss isn't silence, my friend.

    I use Audacity for that, it has a noise removal tool where you can select a bit of the 'noise' you want removed, then select the clip and remove it from the clip. Works very well. I haven't tried noise removal in Sonar , but intuitively it would seem that removing noise and removing silence aren't quite the same.

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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 14:24:25 (permalink)
    Silence is the silence between sounds, so all youll remove is silence when doping what your doing.

    You need some sort of noise reduction plugin, like Waves Z noise or X noise. With these, you can make a noise profile of the sound you want toget rid of and then apply it to the tracks with that noise

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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 14:25:07 (permalink)

    you could try using a gate



    Remove Silence is a Gate. You get to define what level is "silence" with all the usual Gate settings for Attack, Hold, Release, etc. The only difference between it and any other Gate is it gives you the option to delete audio that doesn't pass the gate.


    CarvinAbuser, it's kind of hard to give advice without knowing what the audio content is, and what settings you're using. But I can attest that it does work if set correctly. Maybe you have the Open/Close levels too low?


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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 14:27:28 (permalink)
    Remove silence in Sonar works only as a noise gate.
    The best vst-plugin for removing noise is Z-Noise frome waves.com (with learning noise-profiles). An other vst-plugin "PSP Mix Treble" can remove hiss (but no noise).

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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 14:30:06 (permalink)
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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 14:36:24 (permalink)
    Trouble with gating is that, once it opens up, the hiss will still be in your clip. NR would be more what your looking for, I'm guessing.

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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 14:45:15 (permalink)
    Trouble with gating is that, once it opens up, the hiss will still be in your clip. NR would be more what your looking for, I'm guessing.


    True. The flipside is that the cure can be worse than the cancer with noise-removal algorithms. Unsophisticated (read "cheap") ones may do more damage than good.

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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 14:50:36 (permalink)
    brundlefly



    Trouble with gating is that, once it opens up, the hiss will still be in your clip. NR would be more what your looking for, I'm guessing.


    True. The flipside is that the cure can be worse than the cancer with noise-removal algorithms. Unsophisticated (read "cheap") ones may do more damage than good.


    +1

    Often it's enough to just to remove the hiss from the intended silent passages with a gate, such as Remove Silence set correctly.

    If the hiss is very bad then it is better to try to remove / minimize it at the source rather than try to correct affected clips.
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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 14:52:22 (permalink)
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    Silence is the silence between sounds, so all youll remove is silence when doping what your doing.
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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 15:17:30 (permalink)
    So my question is... Is the noise/hissing in one track in a project or in several tracks?


    I handle noise in this manner.    It is a "one track at a time" method to eliminate noise. Most of the noise will be in the audio tracks recorded with guitar or mic anyway. 

    I drag the track to the top of the console view. Then I select it and high light that track. 

    Next I drag my mouse in the timeline above the track and the time line turns a light gray where I dragged. I try to drag the  timeline where I want to remove the noise. If it's not exact... such as between vocal phrases in the VOX track I simply redrag the timeline to adjust..... (zoom as needed). Then I select Process Audio>Gain>Mute and click OK. 

    Any noise, pops, room noise, hum, hiss, etc is now muted and I have perfect silence between the phrasings. 

    I listen to it from the previous vox across the muted parts to be sure I have it right. Undo if necessary, and re-do it, then move to the next one. 

    I used to use envelopes to do this. It has the same effect but was actually more labor intensive placing all those nodes. 
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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 16:47:09 (permalink)
    I always highlight the portion of the clip and use Process/Apply Effect/Gain and then opt for 'Mute'.

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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 18:22:06 (permalink)
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    I always highlight the portion of the clip and use Process/Apply Effect/Gain and then opt for 'Mute'.







    Nice - I didn't think about this for sonar. I usually go to SF for muting or I split and mute the clip. I just set up a key bind for this process - should come in handy.




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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 18:53:26 (permalink)
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    So my question is... Is the noise/hissing in one track in a project or in several tracks?


    I handle noise in this manner.    It is a "one track at a time" method to eliminate noise. Most of the noise will be in the audio tracks recorded with guitar or mic anyway. 

    I drag the track to the top of the console view. Then I select it and high light that track. 

    Next I drag my mouse in the timeline above the track and the time line turns a light gray where I dragged. I try to drag the  timeline where I want to remove the noise. If it's not exact... such as between vocal phrases in the VOX track I simply redrag the timeline to adjust..... (zoom as needed). Then I select Process Audio>Gain>Mute and click OK. 

    Any noise, pops, room noise, hum, hiss, etc is now muted and I have perfect silence between the phrasings. 

    I listen to it from the previous vox across the muted parts to be sure I have it right. Undo if necessary, and re-do it, then move to the next one. 

    I used to use envelopes to do this. It has the same effect but was actually more labor intensive placing all those nodes. 

    Hey, nice tip. I use envelopes for this as well and you're right, placing the nodes is a bit of a pain. I'll try your technique next time. I'm not a particularly skilled or sophisticated engineer, but I also agree with other posters too that I only worry about removing the noise in silent parts. If the noise is too much of a problem during the actual audio material, I just re-record it and try to eliminate or lessen it using different settings or a gate. I realize that may not be possible in specific work situations where you don't have control over the original source material, though. I'm only working on my own independent productions and demos for myself

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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/20 19:18:42 (permalink)
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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/21 04:15:19 (permalink)
    If the hiss is so bad that it's really noticeable then it suggests a less than ideal recording and you should consider re-tracking the offending part(s)

    If this isn't an option, another way to deal with it is by using a track volume envelope. Just lower the areas which are meant to be silent and hope that the hiss is masked when the music kicks in.
    It might also be beneficial not to lower your envelope to -INF. adjust it so that the hiss is lowered in volume so that the transition between digital silence and your clips isn't abrupt.

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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/21 11:42:35 (permalink)
    Thanks for the responses.  The hiss is in the vocal tracks around -50.  I'm doing slip-edits for now until I decide on a better solution.
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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/21 14:44:42 (permalink)
    -50dB SPL, if thats what you meant by -50, is pretty darn low. Can you hear the hiss when the vocal is mixed with the entire song?? If not, dont worry about it

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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/21 18:09:59 (permalink)
    Silence is the silence between sounds, so all youll remove is silence when doping what your doing.

    I try to avoid edit decisions while I'm doping.


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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/21 23:14:06 (permalink)
    FWIW...I use this on narration all the time, choose the split into clips options, then select all clips and apply a short fade in/out. Narration tends to be a more "digital" type of vocal - either you're talking, or you're not, so it works great to make the spaces between phrases truly silent. The best part is that you can set the threshold quite low. Little pops or handling noises that "poke out" above the noise become their own clips, and are easy to remove. Almost all my narration in the X1 Advanced Workshop video was processed this way. Saved me a lot of time!
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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/21 23:49:13 (permalink)
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    Silence is the silence between sounds, so all youll remove is silence when doping what your doing.

    I try to avoid edit decisions while I'm doping.


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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/22 00:05:49 (permalink)
    You can try this.

    When you get to the remove silence dialog box:

    raise the open can close level to -51db

    change the hold time 2500 to something like 300.

    That may do the trick.

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    Re:Process - Remove Silence 2011/09/22 14:23:39 (permalink)
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    You can try this.

    When you get to the remove silence dialog box:

    raise the open can close level to -51db

    change the hold time 2500 to something like 300.

    That may do the trick.

    I got it to work by changing the hold time to 300, thanks for the tip.

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