FX bus problems

I wasn't sure how to search for this problem so if it's been solved, please direct me to the appropriate thread.

I've never run into anything like this before so it really threw me.  I have two sends on my (audio) drum tracks, verb and compressor.  I solo the drum verb bus to listen.  I then group the drum tracks and disengage the verb sends but some of the drum tracks are still coming through the bus.  If I click on one of the (disengaged) send buttons that drum will then disengage, (but not always).  There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to this.  I cannot duplicate the behavior identically each time.

I shut down, no joy.  I rebooted, no joy.  I didn't try opening all new tracks and re-building the drums up from scratch but I did delete the sends and opened new ones, no joy.  It only appears to be on this one song so far but I will check further.

Any insight into what might be caausing this would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Paul

A couple quick questions:

#1 Are the Sends Pre or Post?
#2 When you say disengage do you mean the track no longer can be heard in the send when the send is in solo

-D 

DonM


A couple quick questions:

#1 Are the Sends Pre or Post?
#2 When you say disengage do you mean the track no longer can be heard in the send when the send is in solo

-D 

Hi Don. 

#1 - The sends are post fader. 

#2 - The track is no longer supposed to be heard in the Verb bus when the send engage/disengage button is disengaged, but it is!  Whether or not the tracks were solo'd, (when the bus was solo'd), didn't seem to make any difference.  It wasn't consistant.  However, I couldn't get it to work properly no mater what I did.

I also tried different outputs from the Verb Bus as well, no change.

Thanks.

Paul

Bristol_Jonesey


Head scratching here at the moment.

What happens if you mute ALL of your tracks?

Obviously you should hear nothing, but if you do - it's coming from somewhere

Well, I didn't try that but I will.  Thanks.

UPDATE

I think the problem is with grouping.  It doesn't appear to work on the sends.  Here's an example of what I did:

1.     Solo the FX bus, (in this case the Drum Verb).
2.     Group select all the drum tracks.
3.     Hit the kick drum verb send engage/disengage (E/D) button.
4.     All of the drums, (which have a verb send), will sound through the Verb bus except the kick!
5.     All the send E/D buttons will indicate they are off, (but they're not).
6.     Next, toggle the snare verb send E/D button on and then off again, (you still have all the drums grouped).
7.     Now the kick and snare will not sound in the verb bus, (but the other drums will).
8.     This would be appropriate behavior for the sends if they're not grouped.

If someone has a few minutes, would you pleases try and reproduce this.  I opened another song file and got the same results.  If this is designed behavior, I can't believe that I haven't stumbled onto it.  I'm pretty sure I've grouped sends before.  Thanks for any help.

Paul

bitflipper


It does sound as though send enables may not be reliably toggled as a group. Could be a bug, and the reason nobody's noticed it before is that nobody turns effects on and off that way (muting the bus is easier and more obvious visually). However, I am not certain that grouped tracks were ever meant to work that way.

EDIT: no, I'll take that back. Just tried it, and grouped tracks do appear to toggle send-enables together. I did, however, observe one time that only the send I actually clicked on toggled, even though it was part of a group. I could not duplicate it, though.

I think I'll continue to use the mute button on the bus.

Thanks Dave.  I'm sure I've done this before.  Oh well, I've already moved on.  I'll check it again when I switch to Win7.