Logical Method for breaking up a Bands Set of 12 songs into 12 projects in X1

This has essentially become the question from my post here;
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2391544
 
Although it was originally related to a soft synth insert problem, I believe we have to resolve the question from Mr Question before I can advance.
 
I don't do it for a living either, I do it fer lurv.
(I may scrub that comment later if the band in question pays me the carton of beer they promised).
 
DJ.

Well thanks to DJOZ and osd for their comments  - I think I have a process sorted out
In DJOZ's case - he recorded the 12 channel set into Sonar - (by the way - he did the engineering on a CD for a kick ass Australian  Blues band called Swamphouse - check their stuff out - first rate mixes done in Sonar) - DJOZ has a great ear - but he can be full of it too.
 
Me I just got 4 channels of broadcast wave files from a friend who recorded it on his Apple
This is the process I used to break the 4 channel 14 song set into projects- one project for each song - without all the redundant wav data being in each project
 
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1) Import each 24 bit mono wave file into a separate track in Sonar - each of the 4 mono waves was 770 meg
 
For some reason they all came in at measure 1895 - so I slid each wave file -1890 measures and then they all lined up at measure 5.
 
2) I inserted a marker at the beginning of each song for easy reference
 
3) I saved this project as "Master" - using the "separate audio folder for each project" option
 
4) One song is the Beatles "Girl"  so I saved a copy of Master as a new project "MasterGirl"
At this point, on the disk the 4 big files are in Master\audio and MasterGirl\audio
 
5) I opened MasterGirl and split each of the 4 waves at the end of the song and deleted the unused 40 minutes of wave data.
 
6) I then selected each of the remaining 4 short audio clips, right clicked on it and performed a "apply trimming"  - not sure if this was necessary but I did it and I'm proud.
I saved the project at this point and looked at the file sizes in Windows and they were still each 770 meg
 
7) then I selected each of the 4 short audio clips and did a "Bounce to Clips" on each clip - it took a few seconds so I figured something was getting written. 
 
I saved the project at this point and looked at the file sizes in Windows and they were still each 770 meg - but 4 new smaller files had been created - each aroung 29 meg in the MasterGirl\audio folder
 
looking good
 
8) now I run the Clean Audio utility and after seaching the known universe (I have 6 drives) for about 10 minutes,  it identifies that the 4 770 meg files in MasterGirl\audio are no longer in use so I am free to delete them which I do cuz I'm such a happy camper at this point.
 
So I think we have a winner - with the longest and most unwieldy parts of this process being
 
a) the initial copy from Master to MasterGirl where the 4 big files are being copied to the MasterGirl\audio folder and
 
b) the 10 minute process where the Clean Audio utility sniffs out the big files which are now deletable in the MasterGirl\audio folder.
 
Depending on the amount of free space you have, I suspect during this process of chunking out a big set into projects per tune, you could hold off on the Clean Audio utility until you process 3 or 4 songs
 
Hope this helps!
 
 

Hey DJOZ it'll work

the biggest pain for you is - after you load the 12 channels into master - is gonna be saving them each as a new project

You open Master and say you want to create FineFineFine project
When you create FineFineFine from Master it will copy all the audio into FineFineFine and then you do the split audio for each of the 12 channels  in the FineFineFine project and delete the unused tails

then do a bounce to clip (which should really be called extract to clip) for each of the 12 channel wav files you want to keep in FineFineFine

then when you run the Audio clean it should present you with the
stuff to delete (basically you should get a bunch of wave files in the newly created project audio folders)

What might be faster is
Bring in all the audio to Master
Split each of the 12 channels at every song point
Save master

then for each song
reload master
delete all the unwanted audio relative to the song
bounce to clips each of the keeper 12 channel clips
save as new song project - (don't save Master after the deletions)
 
Every few songs do the Clean Audio thing
I would think you could chunk our all the audio the way you want it in a couple hours - except you have 3 sets so you may be insane by the end of this.

Of course I'm not in Oz where the toilets run backwards - so who knows

Later

OSD-
After reading Mr Questions reply again I'm not so sure that I'm exactly correct in my description of Clean Audio.
That's how it worked when I messed around with it, but perhaps my messing didn't have method to it.
I'm going to try Mr Q's suggestion today to get my head around what is actually happening after the Bounce Clips scenario - maybe Clean Audio works as you suggested in this case.
Off to the other PC to give it a go. Thanks for the input guys.
I'll let you know what happens.
 
Hey Mr Q - do you have things coming OUT of your toilets??? That must be awkward. 
Cheers,
DJ.
 
 

OSD - After a few more hours on this I believe the Clean Audio function works as I originally thought.
It searches ALL of your drives, which may take some time and then offers you a list of files which you can selectively choose to delete or leave in their locations.
 
It will offer you to delete the original large files after you have done the Bounce To Clips operation.
 
Bounce To Clips will create new, smaller wave files in the Audio folder of your project.
Thank you Mr Question.
It assigns a new name to the smaller *.wav file. which will be called Track_Name_somethingMIX.wav
If you click on Track Properties and then "Audio Source", it will come up with the new, smaller wave file.
If you save the project these smaller files then become the default source wave files.
 
Then when you run Clean Audio it will ask if you want to delete the older large files as these are no longer accessed by the tracks in the project.
 
My wave files went from 230mb each to 60mb each. I thought I would get a larger reduction so I need to investigate that further.
 
A few pointers here -
1. You cannot Bounce Clips on any track that has Audio Snap Pallete engaged.
2. You cannot Bounce Clips on any track that is sharing a source wave file with another track - let me explain that.
On the night I recorded this, for some reason I did not have a snare drum mic for the top of the drum. I did have one on the bottom skin/strap.
When I started work on a rough template for the project I wanted a top snare track so I copied the "overhead right" track to a blank track. I shifted this track to align with the snare bottom track, appllied some EQ etc and called it "Snare Top". Not ideal, but better than nothing.
So both "Overhead Right" and "Snare Top" tracks were using the same "overhead right.wav" file.
Bounce To Clips does not like this and the software will hang.
 
I'm not exactly sure what "Apply Trimming" does. We'll leave that for another day.
 
I found that "Consolidate Audio Project" creates a backup folder of the *.wav files within your project folder.
 
With the smaller *.wav files I was now able to solve my original problem of the software crashing while trying to insert a soft synth - so that's all good.
I also learnt a bit about drum replacement and Audio Snap/Pallette so while this little problem has been perplexing and frustrating at times I've added a little bit to my Sonar knowledge.
 
Thank you so much fellow posters for your input.
 
As an afterthought and an act of masochism I may even look at "manufacturing" a top snare drum track.
Cheers,
Darby.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I know what I'd do.

First, make sure you have "Per Project folders" selected

Then, do a "Save As" for ALL 12 songs, naming them where appropriate and making sure they live in their own folder

Then, go into each song (which currently has EVERYTHING in it) and trim each of your tracks down by slip editing.

Then you can select all tracks followed by "Apply trimming" which will remove all the dead space from each song.

Nearly done.

Now, if you do another "Save As" for each separate song, again into a new folder, you should end up with just the relevant .wavs for each separate song.

Yeah, I use a variation of Jonesy and Mrquestion's approaches.

have all 12 in the 'master project'

split out first song, delete everything else, 

'apply triming'

save as to different location

re-open 'master' 

rinse and repeat for 2nd etc track

The other thing you can use is 'consolidate project audio' to create a streamlined back up of just the files that are being used in the project.

Child

Always have the processing bit depth set to 32bits.