Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one?

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Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one?

Hi there, I'm wondering about changing interface. For now the choice (used gear) is: Focusrite Liquid Saffire 56; MOTU 828 mk3; TC Electronic Konnekt 48; M-audio Profire 26. As you can see - all of them have 8x8 in-outs and 2 ADATs. For now I have Edirol M16-DX and (to use as a ADAT 8x8) Adirol UA-1000. So - my question is - which one will be the best for working with X1 on PC. I use interface and Sonar as a mixing console too, not to record track by track, that's why I want to change gear (for now I have 14 inputs already busy: MIC, guitar, 6xTRITON, 2xZ1, 4xMicroX) and I want to do some external processing... Any advices?

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    thomasabarnes
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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 11:20:33 (permalink)
    I'd go with he MOTU unit because it's a tried unit and known to work with SONAR with good reports for performance.


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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 11:26:01 (permalink)
    and what about latency? I readed that FOcusrite is the slowest (worst) in latency - 256 to 512 with full load; and M-audio is the fastest one... Here I have an oportunity to buy M-audio or Motu in the price under 714$, Focusrite - 821$, TC Konnekt 48 - in US - 680$ - the difference isn't to big, so that's the reason of my question. As I wrote before - AT ONCE I want to use 16 inputs (minimum) and RECORD with listening post-DAW without significant delay.

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 11:50:58 (permalink)
    If lowest possible round-trip latency is important (ie: If you'll be playing/monitoring in realtime thru software based EFX/processing), I'd opt for the MOTU unit.  The M-Audio would be my second choice.
    If lowest possible round-trip latency isn't a factor, you'd be fine with any of the above.
    The Focusrite unit would have slightly better preamps.

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 13:07:17 (permalink)
    There you have it. Now, the choice is whatever your preference is, go for it.


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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 13:24:44 (permalink)
    I'd go with the Motu - as others have said, they have a great general reputation and this model in particular is known to work well. 
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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 14:10:23 (permalink)
    I love my MOTU MKII, ( 8 Ch version )

    But also have the M-audio Fast track.
    ( 8 Ch version, USB 2.0, seems to work very well )

    Still like MOTU much better !!!
    Excellent drivers, GUI, nice effects built in, Mic preamps are good,
    great latency. 
    Have fun.

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 14:19:01 (permalink)
    I've got the TC unit - it is excellent.  Sound - great.  Features - great.  latency/drivers - good.  I get about 13 ms roundtrip for recording.  I saw one (returned) for $700 or so on one of the oneline places.  They were cheap after all the driver problems but have gone back up since they got those sorted out.

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 14:39:48 (permalink)
    I was thinking about TC and Focusrite, but overall latency is the clue, as I want to play/record guitar with Guitar Rig plugin and hear the results. So everything exceed 10ms (128 samples in 28kHz/24bit) is out.
    I know Focusrite is great, but - I heard - it has problems with latency.
    In a fact I would never thinking about changing my Edirol M16-DX, but it has only 2 outputs, so forget about external processing.
    Moreover, on PC, when I want to use both edirols simultaneously, I have to use asio4all drivers, so to have sound without clips and chokes - I have to increase latency......

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 20:50:28 (permalink)
    So, get the MOTU, man. :)


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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 20:56:02 (permalink)
    octacapture best bang for the buck in all area     

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/23 23:42:32 (permalink)
    I have had a MOTU 828 MKII for several years and I can tell you that it is rock solid. Not sure about the MKIII cause I don't have that but I imagine it is probably even better. I used mine with an ADAT connection to my MPC 5000 and it was very clean.

    I recently replaced my MOTU with a couple of Octa-Captures and like my new setup even better because I have a pre-amp/compression-limiter/noise gate per port. That would not be an option for you if you require ADAT. If you want to save some bucks I am sure you can get a firewire MOTU 828 MKII for a decent price on eBay. I can say my MOTU integrated very well with SONAR up to and including X1C. The 64 bit Windows 7 drivers were very solid. Not as low latency as the Octa-Capture but they were never an issue.

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/24 05:22:05 (permalink)
    I don't want to use "several" octa capture - I cau use "several" Edirols.

    But I want to have ONE main interface with ability to plug in two ADAT expansions.

    I don't want to go into 828mk2 because - as I wrote before - difference between mk3, TC, M-audio and Focusrite here is about 150$ - all of them are from 680 to 820$, so difference isn't to big.
    I don't plan to use any EFX in interface, as software versions are better, I don't plan to use interface outside studio to recording - if using outside - just for liveacts with Ableton, not Sonar.

    The best advice would be your experience and screenshots with latency settings of your interfaces in Sonar - or just - you could write here, how it looks in your case.

    For now - Edirol M16-DX works with minimal latency 96 samples in 44,1/24mode the same Edirol UA-1000.
    Both on ASIO drivers.
    On asio4all drivers I set the latency to 112 or 128 samples, but it sems that even when CPU load is under 50% they have problems with smooth reproduction of sound.

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/24 06:30:19 (permalink)
    save money , stop restaurant , stop buying some stuff you don't need , and have orgasam with that :

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FirefaceUFX

    Very long term investament ...

    If you can't ..go Motu , the preamp on TC is better but i'm not at all sure about the quality of the drivers on pc's ....

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/24 07:24:27 (permalink)
    Zo,
    sometimes I like to read your posts, and sometimes you're just "out of tune"....
    like this time.

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/24 08:15:26 (permalink)
    Listen to Jim Roseberry. Figure out if you ned lowest latency of best preamps and just go for it. Your OP isn't really clear about new or used (are they all used?) a used unit should not lose much, if any,  value if you don't like it an decide to resell it soon. 
     
    If you buy new, you should ask for and get a discount and a trial period. I would ask for a discount on anything used too.
     
    Jim knows his stuff and if you aren't sure about something he will help you if he can. Anderton will also respond to questions.

    You should think about what you need now and in the next year because in a year or two there will likely be something that is somobetta than anything you can buy now that buying new will be a lot better than expanding. I have a feeling we are on the verge of affordable ecxellence in interfaces, latency, and preamps. What we have is good but I thinkit is going to soon be even better and relatively cheaper.
     
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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/24 09:06:58 (permalink)
    The lowest latency setting for the MOTU-MK3 in ASIO mode is 64 samples. 


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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/24 09:40:02 (permalink)
    thanks jbow and thomasabarnes

    @ thomasabarnes - 64samples is a lovest latency or lovest latency with full loaded project without drops and pops?

    I was writing about USED gear. New Focusrite 56 costs 1300$ here or so, new MOTU - something similar, new TC - more than 1500$.

    I look for somethng for a year or two.
    For now Edirols are almost enough but in month or two - 16 inputs will be mandatory - with ability to add 8 more. that's why I lok for something 8x8 with 2 ADAT ports. And every one of I've mentioned abowe has these features.

    Motu mk2 is out of competition.

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/24 10:21:34 (permalink)
    With my system specs (see my signature) I can run the largest SONAR Demo songs (which have multiple softsynths and effects) at a 64 samples latency setting with no drop outs or very little pops and clicks, if any. Just smooth performance with my MOTU UltraLite-MK3.

    I run all my projects at 64 samples with no drop outs or pops and clicks, as my projects usually never have more than 20 effects and/or 7 softsynths, or 30 audio tracks. And that's with no freezing of tracks/softsynths/effects. 
     
    MOTU products have a reputation of great drivers support and solid performance at low latency settings, man.
    post edited by thomasabarnes - 2011/09/25 10:22:04


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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/25 05:30:55 (permalink)
    thanks a lot.


    "just because of you"... I'm choosing MOTI 828 mk3 (firewire).

    in a fact - Focusrite was sold yesterday (Polish bidding website), M-audio - 3 days ago... So the choice is simple :)

    Thanks a lot for your patience, I hope you'll forgive my "great" English and questions.
    I'm little sad becuse of Focusrite has gone, but - there's another post on this forum where user has problems with latency...

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/25 10:00:39 (permalink)
    The driver will determine what the lowest buffer size is eg 64 samples.

    Whether your hardware and software combination can use that buffer size without clicks and pops is another matter altogether.

    Looking at your specs it looks like you should be able to get down to that level.

    Wonder why you haven't mentioned anything like an RME FF800 which you should be able to get 2nd hand at around your price range. Just another option.

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/25 10:19:58 (permalink)
    Yeah, I figured English wasn't your native language. : ) I think you'll be pleased with the MOTU unit. The software such as CueMix FX is really powerful, too. I think you made the overall best choice from the audio interfaces that you mentioned.



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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/25 15:16:33 (permalink)
    @ mudgel and thomas:
    I live in Poland, so if I would like to buy 2nd hand RME i have to buy inside Poland or inside UE.
    No sale offers in Poland now, new unit costs more than 1200 Euro (1715$). That's over 2x more money I can spend.
    Import from US isn't the best choice because of tax and custom: 27% of the total price (price in declaration + shipping costs).

    English isn't my native language, but writing (i.e.) here helps me to use it better ;)

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    Re:Help - the best interface for X1 (price up to 600 Euro / 700$) used - which one? 2011/09/25 15:52:57 (permalink)
    It sounds like the first thing you need to do is decide which interfaces will meet your demands as far as inputs and outputs. 2nd look at the manufacturer's website to see if there are new drivers for the ones that you decide will meet your needs. 3rd buy whichever acceptable interface has the best drivers and best fits your price range.
    If it does not have the potential to meet your needs the price does not matter.
    If the drivers are old and it will not perform well, the price does not matter.

    In my opinion.

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