How to mix multiple midi tracks to a single audio track?

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2011/09/24 07:49:06 (permalink)

How to mix multiple midi tracks to a single audio track?

Can  someone help me understand the best way to mix multiple midi tracks down to a single audio track? I have tried this by creating a new audio track, arming it to record, then I tried to  select multiple tracks as the input, but it keeps defaulting back to the stereo microphone.
A related question: I have midi tracks playing through separate soft synth tracks. Should the input for recording to audio be the midi track or the soft  synth track?
Not sure if I am going about this the right way.
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    Re:How to mix multiple midi tracks to a single audio track? 2011/09/24 08:15:42 (permalink)
    The Help files are your friend. It's all explained there.

    You don't record the soft synths to audio, you bounce them to tracks or freeze them.

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    Re:How to mix multiple midi tracks to a single audio track? 2011/09/24 08:28:54 (permalink)
    Thanks Kalle. I just tried file/export audio and that seemed to work.
    I do try to read the help files, but sometimes they use terms I don't understand.

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    Re:How to mix multiple midi tracks to a single audio track? 2011/09/24 09:32:11 (permalink)
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    Thanks Kalle. I just tried file/export audio and that seemed to work.
    I do try to read the help files, but sometimes they use terms I don't understand.

    Yes, I understand it's hard to know what to look for, if the terminology is strange. That's why I put the keywords in italic.
     
    Am I misundertsanding or not... You're not confusing export to bounce, are you? To turn MIDI into audio, you don't need to export, but then again, if your computer is capable enough, there's no real need to bounce or freeze, you can let the MIDI be as it is, and then export the whole mix, MIDI and audio together.

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    Re:How to mix multiple midi tracks to a single audio track? 2011/09/24 09:44:53 (permalink)
    I'm not sure I understand all the differences between exporting to audio, freezing and bouncing. Exporting to audio worked for what I was trying to do, which was to create a single file that I could put on my ipod and share with people. What is the typical reason you would want to bounce or freeze tracks?

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    Re:How to mix multiple midi tracks to a single audio track? 2011/09/24 09:48:08 (permalink)
    Another question is when I exported to audio, I chose to export a .wav file. That file is 57Mb in size. Is there a more compact file format I can use? I tried to export to .mp3, but it wanted to export each track to a separate file.

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    Re:How to mix multiple midi tracks to a single audio track? 2011/09/24 10:34:07 (permalink)
    Freezing tracks temporarily bounces the synth tracks to audio, releasing the synths and freeing up processing power.
    Bouncing the tracks to audio allows you to permanently render synth tracks to audio, maybe to free up synths for more tracks, or free up tracks if you're approaching the track limit. If you're composing a symphony and have 16 string tracks, 14 horn tracks, 10 woodwind tracks, you can bounce each instrument section to a single track, i.e. 1 strings track, 1 horns track, 1 woodwinds track, allowing you to use those tracks again for other instruments.
    If I had a situation like that, I would bounce the instruments to single tracks, then export those instrument tracks somewhere else for safekeeping, delete the single tracks from the project and re-use those tracks for more instruments.
    Having everything rendered to audio allows you to use audio effects and you can see in the waveform whether anything is clipping.
    Bouncing an entire project to audio lets you see if the track is clipping and lets you hear how it all sounds as one song (muting the other tracks).
    It will also allow you to export the entire project as mp3, if that's what you want to do, by selecting just that one bounced track.
    Audio files are large, there's no way of getting around that, but with the huge hard drives available on today's computers, file size will only be a factor if you're a professional sound engineer doing a lot of work or are an extremely prolific song writer.
     

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    Re:How to mix multiple midi tracks to a single audio track? 2011/09/24 12:18:57 (permalink)
    Greg said it well:

    Freezing simply renders the synth output to a wave form IN the synth's output audio track while leaving the midi data source track in tact. It also archives the synth taking it out of the processing loop, as Greg said, this free's up processing power for other things. You can back up easily and unfreeze the synth at any time to edit the midi track.

    Bouncing is very similar to freezing BUT, a seperate audio track is created and the original tracks are not archived. I often use this to create the output track for a vocal after running melodyne and getting it 100% right. After the bounce, I will delete completely the original track and it's FX.

    Exporting..... similar in many respects but this is more of a mixdown of multiple tracks where the first two were dealing primarily with one track. I use this typically at the very end of the project, after all teh FX are in place, the bouncing/freezing is done, the envelopes are in place, and I'm ready to have a finished wave to burn or convert to MP3. The export is essentially a mixed down copy of the project that is exported out of the DAW to a folder.  Further processing can and is often done on the exported file. Most often, the final master is done at this point. 

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