The Maillard Reaction
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What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
...that spoken word is easily recorded with simplistic technique and simple gear? I learned live sound from a guy that used to travel the world and set up the big man's microphones. I do a LOT of spoken word recording with folks. I kinda know how I feel... ;-) I'm wondering if the folks that dismiss it so casually have done much spoken word work? best regards, mike
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 08:01:18
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 08:10:29
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Spoken word.... to get a good recording.... I've never really tried to record spoken word, but I'm guessing that pretty much the same things apply. Good mic, room acoustics, gear, placement of the mic and ................... someone with a good voice.
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 08:23:07
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Guitarhacker Spoken word.... to get a good recording.... I've never really tried to record spoken word, but I'm guessing that pretty much the same things apply. Good mic, room acoustics, gear, placement of the mic and ................... someone with a good voice. +1
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 09:04:53
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Well, spoken word is what I record the most actually, working a lot as a dubbing engineer/director for cartoons and documentaries at a post facility. I started this after working live for a few years. We pretty much repeat the three different techniques over and over and spend more time with the directing. But I've realised when doing live sound - especially involving speeches - I really nail it everytime, if I may brag a little. So understanding what makes any voice sound good through a microphone is certainly not a small thing, as I realize how little I knew before. And with regards to voice - you can actually do a great recording of any voice. The difference is in their articulation. Not everyone, even with years of experience, nails this. Without good articulation, no voice - no matter how George Clooney it is - will sound good
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 09:14:07
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The thing that made me ask this question is that I was floating around the songs section and ended up at a studios website and it announced that it could handle anything including spoken word... and the way it said it made me think a voice artist would want someone who seemed to think there was actually something to the craft. :-)
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 09:45:46
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I like to record spoken word pieces with a click-track. You know, to keep things tight.
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 10:47:31
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mike_mccue The thing that made me ask this question is that I was floating around the songs section and ended up at a studios website and it announced that it could handle anything including spoken word... and the way it said it made me think a voice artist would want someone who seemed to think there was actually something to the craft. :-) Yeah, I know. That's what a lot of people think. Even some of the voice talents "Talents" with no prior experience we get here, usually hired by the client, get really pissed off with us or we completely break their confidence because they'd thought it wouldbe easy and then we demand stuff for it to be good enough to deliver and all of a sudden talking into a mic isn't that easy. Now, we do our best to have everyone succeed tho But we see it everywhere, budgets get sliced, deadlines get shorter, new facilities pop up everywhere taking the jobs and deliver utter rubbish but somehow stay in business. But the general perseption is that it's easy and doesn't require much. They are so very wrong. All I can say, us in the know MAKE it look easy because we are really, really good!! Ha ha What any recording facility should know is that there are no instruments that are so different from each make and contain so many nuances and dynamics like the human voice. And it require skills from both the engineer/director and the speaker to achieve good results. If a facility doesn't take a voice seriously I wold never hire them for anything else either. Not sure I could trust their judgement on anything.
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 10:51:26
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Frink I like to record spoken word pieces with a click-track. You know, to keep things tight. Forrythmic stuff like poetry or simmilar, yeah, that's actually really cool. I know of a "poet" who does a lot of spoken words stuff. He reads in the words to the Amen break, not a click track - all in one take or he'll throw it away- and then he adds music later. Pretty cool;)
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 10:58:47
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Well, since recording voiceover is about 75% of what we do, and we've done it for lo these twentyfive some odd years you'd think I'd have it down pat. But it's an elusive little bugger. Every voice is different and every mic is too...let alone signal path, etc.... But all of our work is also IN STUDIO. SO We just set up a decent mic through a decent signal chain and run em in and out like cattle. So far no complaints. YMMV. Location stuff is a whole nother thang!
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 11:04:11
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yorolpal We just set up a decent mic through a decent signal chain and run em in and out like cattle. So far no complaints. YMMV. Location stuff is a whole nother thang! He he, you said it, that it was one do in the end. But we do differ a little: 1: Very close and very compressed for documentaries, 2: Not so close and not so compressed for TV-series and general "crap" 3: Very distant micing (around a metre away from mouth) with little or no compression for live action and cinema movies. Of course sometimes there are special requirements but this generaly does it. Then there's using the different knobs in the signal chain. Location - I try not to do that. Live is more for me. Then again, I always wanted to be a writer
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 11:04:17
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I guess anyone with a mic can record spoken word. Not so many can do it right. After all, if it was so easy anyone and everyone would be recording spoken word.
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 11:41:32
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I think UAD is coming out with a VST plug to make spoken word recordings a snap. Or is it Ronco?
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 15:22:33
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But the Ronco will be cheaper.
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 15:29:23
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I read that X1c handles spoken word. It just sits there patiently while it's owner speaks works like %$#&* and *&^^^%@ to it. Mind you, this is just what I've read.
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 15:50:32
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 16:42:53
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Given that many Hollywood A-lister's are doing voice overs for cartoons I'd say it's a very lucrative side of the business. Lot's of big names doing car commercials too.
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/26 18:11:14
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That's very true John, that's where the money is for a relatively relaxed job - at least the commercial part. I'm always flabbergasted when I see what they earn for 5-10 minutes work recording the Voice over for commercials! And we're just doing the versioning, as in recording the Voice over in Norwegian. In cartoons they don't make nearly as much but it's still really well paid- 3hour work a day and you're pretty well set! But I guess the a-list Hollywood people make a whole lot more. On rare occasions when they pay me to act in cartoons I am happy man come payday;) but this is the reason why I work at this studio; it has as little or as much work as I want so I can go on tours, record albums, compose for business or for fun and so forth while maintaining a relatively secure paycheck each month. And it provides a great network further into the movie, music, theatre business on every level;) At times it's even interesting...
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/27 01:35:09
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ProjectM On rare occasions when they pay me to act in cartoons I am happy man come payday;) So how do they flatten you into a 2D image?
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/27 06:23:05
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Not a problem Craig - it's all 3D these days
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/27 08:03:08
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I've been listening to a lot of audiobooks at the moment. Simply out of being interested in different subjects. I wanted to listen to Aldous Huxley's work 'Island' and couldn't find anything other than print. I then got this crazy idea that I would narrate the story myself. I gave it some thought then realised that I didn't know the story well enough to do the recording any justice. I think that a lot of spoken word stuff depends on how well the artist understands the material that he/she is reading. Of course there's also the editing side such as removing breaths, nasal turbulence etc.
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/28 00:53:22
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Nasal turbulence - I'm going to steal that one. A great band name, too! But like everything, the trick is to make it seem easy. The talent is a big part. As M sez it looks easy - what is the big deal? Speak. It is like writing. Everyone can, so what is so special that you need to get paid for it? Because the writer does the work for you (hopefully), so that it is easy to read and follow. Same thing with the talent - there is a difference between talking and reading, or acting, or even "hacting." Same difference with the recording end of it. Hey, i've got one of these mic/earphone thingys that came with my computer - how come I don't sound good? It takes decent equipment. And work. And experience when things go wrong, which they always will. What I love are the places with a cramped closet for VO, no bigger than an airline toliet. By the time you get more than 2 sheets of script in there the talent can't breathe. And then they are supposed to give a good performance. @
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Re:What do you think when some one implies that spoken word is...?
2011/09/28 10:10:50
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Fascinating discussion...stuff I'd never really considered actually. I always find it interesting to hear experts talk about a subject. Is it normal to think ''whatever it is' can't be THAT hard!'? Because I guess it does bring some comfort to think I'm not the only one in that category. :) So many things seem fairly easy to learn but almost impossible to master, which I've learned time after time, much to my chagrine. lol
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